Ok, so let me get this straight.
You are saying that because Su-34 is fair in air battles then it’s perfectly fine in Warthunder despite being unfair in ground battles?
Well you seem very onboard with removing the F-15E, so you tell me.
No ? Where did i say that , are you schizoing
The Su-34 alone isn’t the problem. The problem is Gajin decided that the nation with the
- Second best MBTs (best on some maps)
I presume you mean the BVM? It’s hardly the second best where the 122 and 2A7 exist, the 2A6 is arguably better.
- Best helicopters
The KA-52 is good, but you know what else is good? Helicopters with FnF missiles. Which the KA52 doesn’t have. It’s a good thing all top tier SPAA can counter the KA-52, while something like the AH-60 can just duck your missiles and kill you from behind a hill.
- Best SPAA
Most capable on paper? Yes. But my stats seem to much prefer my ITO. Again, have you played Pantsir?
- Strong CAS
Strong until a multirole comes around. Were you complaining about the F16C when it got added?
Should, untop of all that, receive one of the most powerful CAS options in the game; which btw, only Russia has appropriate SPAA to counter.
Alas, why CAP exists.
Exactly.
Ground battles should not interfere with what people can fly in Air AB, air RB, and air sim.
If a plane causes issues in GRB, it should be balanced solely for GRB and not the game as a whole. Separate BRs, increased SP cost, whatever
Russia definitely has some of the best helicopters, if not the best. The only debatable thing here is the lack of Fire and Forget missiles.
How is this even debatable? It’s the best by a long margin,
Wrong, they had strong CAS before.
Confirmation bias at its finest.
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Also not to mention BR setting for ground and air for aircraft has been seperated ,so his argument is basically meaningless
Is this alt of Navy_Phantom ,if bro is please just ignore me
I group the Leopard 2s for simplicity. They all perform extremely similar so there’s no reason to say the T-80BVM is the 4th best because the Leopard takes the top 3.
Again, only Russia has SPAA capable of countering toptier jets. Rocket rushing Su-25s and F-4s don’t count.
Speaking of which ITO isn’t Russian meaning noob Su-25/Ka-50 rocket rushers will naturally sway your stats.
Seeing toptier American CAS is pretty rare bc toptier American tanks perform too poorly to get enough spawnpoints.
CAP can be used by both sides, and Russia having powerful tanks means they will beat most nations to spawning it.
They are different , what do you mean you can group them. What are you talking about
Yeah because you barely play top tier US , how can you see them if you don’t play top tier
By that logic, how am I supposed to know people play the Challe-2 when I don’t play Britain?
I group the Leopard 2s for simplicity. They all perform extremely similar so there’s no reason to say the T-80BVM is the 4th best because the Leopard takes the top 3.
5? Nations now have Leopards at top tier. See how that denigrates the point you’re trying to make?
Again, only Russia has SPAA capable of countering toptier jets. Rocket rushing Su-25s and F-4s don’t count.
Speaking of which ITO isn’t Russian meaning noob Su-25/Ka-50 rocket rushers will naturally sway your stats.
If you say so. Noob A10A premiums must not sway my Pantsir stats lol.
Seeing toptier American CAS is pretty rare bc toptier American tanks perform too poorly to get enough spawnpoints.
At least try to argue from a place of intellectual integrity.
Your lack of frame-of-reference, your limited nations played, the ignorance to being called out on your hypocrisy…
You see this game through lenses that don’t match your prescription.
It is not about do you know someone play a nation or not. It is about do you know about what you talking about , which you clearly don’t. I myself play 3 nation , currently grinding the 4th. You yourself barely finish a single nation , you have no right to yap about other nation stuff , let alone let yourself run free claiming false stuff about stuff you don’t play.
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ok fine, T-80BVM is the 11th best toptier MBT because, if we include the copy paste Leopard 2s, then the Leopard 2 takes the first 10 spots. Are you happy?
They’re not as common to encounter, and even when I do see em, most of the time they’re shot down by BMPs/BMDs.
I don’t needa play and spade all 10 nations to count how many planes spawn in a game.
ok fine, T-80BVM is the 11th best toptier MBT because, if we include the copy paste Leopard 2s, then the Leopard 2 takes the first 10 spots. Are you happy?
My point was, Russia faces multiple nations with superior tanks. Often in the same game. It’s not like there’s no parity.
They’re not as common to encounter, and even when I do see em, most of the time they’re shot down by BMPs/BMDs.
That’s just not true.
I don’t needa play and spade all 10 nations to count how many planes spawn in a game.
No, but you need to play a few, at top tier, to truly have depth of field. Most of your tanks at around 11.0+ are premiums or squadron vehicles.
At the very least, you should have experience with the overall balance of the tech tree you’re arguing for a nerf for. If you did play Russia at top tier, you wouldn’t have made this post.
Faces, as in fights both against and alongside Leopard 2s in the same battle (usually alongside), and even then, there’s plenty of maps where T-80 gets the upperhand.
It is though.
I have no high tier prems. The T 80 U is without a doubt the best high tier vehicle I have played, Obj 292 falling close behind.
Look, grind out top tier Russia and re-evaluate. If you feel the same, so be it.
USSR receives this very type of focus any time something good is added for it. It’s very frustrating for the people who enjoy the tree (and at times pay) to constantly have what they want to play nerfed to hell. If you played ARB or ASB, you would very well realize just how bad USSR can be.
I don’t mind they add SU-34 buy what pissed me off is what gaijin have done to Brimstone
it supposed to be total counter to pantsir but nope it just hellfire on jet
The only way to stop Russian CAS is to just air spawn camping them and shot them down right after they spawn is the only way (and i don’t regret doing it almost got Tornado GR4 because it lol) really, they have Pantsir covering their ass so flying around the battlefield make it CAP flying around really aren’t effective against them
So only I value mobility, armor, and the best ammo in the game?
You sure about that?
USA has 6 entirely free meta MBTs, 7 if you include America’s Leclerc M1A1.
Premiums and event vehicles? 9.
That’s a tad more than Italy’s 2, Germany’s 5/6, Sweden’s 4, and USSR’s 1.
Now, I’m speaking meta vehicles. Of course USSR still have good other MBTs.
USA and Sweden are the only tech trees with meta light tanks at the top end.
Best helicopters are Tiger, International, Tiger, AH-60, and Z-10; All of which die to SPAA, and none of which are Soviet.
Pantsir is physically incapable of fragging fixed wing SPAA, and it frags helicopters identically to ADATS.
Pantsir is also using anti-helicopter missiles.
The most capable CAS in the game is in all but Japan… oh wait, Japan’s getting it as well next major update. All 10 tech trees have unkillable OP CAS starting in a few weeks.