Su-27 SIM BR

[CorporalApollo-psn]

Well, to name a few:

@TheArcticFoxxo

The Su-27 has a VERY good and tunable radar with one of the best user-interactive integrations of it in the game.

• It’s got among the lowest gimbal limits in top-tier. 120° wide and -55° below the nose

• It’s the only radar at top-tier without the ability to change scan widths or # of bars

• It’s the only radar at top-tier without the ability to slew radar freely from side to side, you’re locked to 1 of 3 positions

• It’s the only radar in top-tier without the ability to soft-lock targets In TWS. You have to manually slew the radar up-and down at all times in order to not lose the target, especially complicated when you’re both changing altitudes/aspects. Miss one single scan and you’re looking at 7-14 seconds to reacquire the target.

• It’s the only radar at top-tier still limited to 10km ACM. Everything else 13.7 (except maybe J10 that I haven’t seen/tried) is at 19km. Twice the distance of N001, and it just got its HMD increased to 20km too.

Saying it’s ‘VERY good and tunable with one of the best user-interactive integrations in the game’ is WILD.

@TheArcticFoxxo

the Su-27 has some of the most information feedback of any plane.

It’s literally the slowest radar… Viggen TWS found at 10.7 is literally a 2-3x improvement in terms of speed imo.
It’s also especially hurt by the new scan pattern (Community Bug Reporting System)
Having more than 2 bars, 4 in this case makes it incredibly inconsistent and unpredictable, It can take up to 7 seconds between scans, couple this with the fact that TWS can’t even soft-lock making it susceptible to missing scans, you can easily be looking at 14 second reacquisition times in TWS, same in PD if one singular lock misses

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@CorporalApollo

It’s got among the lowest gimbal limits in top-tier. 120° wide and -55° below the nose

Average =/= lowest.
Almost all aircraft up at top-tier have a gimbal limit of +/-120dg. The only one I can think of offhand is the MiG-29 9-19, which sits at +/-170dg.

@CorporalApollo

It’s the only radar at top-tier without the ability to change scan widths or # of bars

That reduces its effectiveness how?
A 50x10dg scan with 4 bars isn’t at all bad. It covers a very manageable area that neither leaves a lot of deadspace between sweeps nor limits your scope to a small area.

@CorporalApollo

It’s the only radar in top-tier without the ability to soft-lock targets In TWS. You have to manually slew the radar up-and down at all times in order to not lose the target, especially complicated when you’re both changing altitudes/aspects. Miss one single scan and you’re looking at 7-14 seconds to reacquire the target.

Are you not manually slewing your radar to begin with?

There is quite literally ZERO reason to soft-lock targets in TWS. If you want passive detection, you have IRST. If you want to lock somebody to fire a missile… You lock them?

@CorporalApollo

It’s the only radar at top-tier still limited to 10km ACM. Everything else 13.7 (except maybe J10 that I haven’t seen/tried) is at 19km. Twice the distance of N001, and it just got its HMD increased to 20km too.

You seemingly don’t play this aircraft for shit.

@CorporalApollo

Saying it’s ‘VERY good and tunable with one of the best user-interactive integrations in the game’ is WILD.

Saying that average scope limits are bad, soft-locking with SARHs is important, and that the ACM is 10km is downright stupid and ignorant. To say whatever I’m stating is wild when you clearly haven’t played any Soviet / Russian top-tier in the last 2 months is hilariously idiotic.

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@TheArcticFoxxo

The only one I can think of offhand is the MiG-29 9-19, which sits at +/-170dg.

aint gaijin gave J-10A 170 gimbals too?

[UnknownDistance]

Lmao.

You have a total of 4 games in it.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

What?

[CorporalApollo-psn]

@TheArcticFoxxo

Average =/= lowest.
Almost all aircraft up at top-tier have a gimbal limit of +/-120dg. The only one I can think of offhand is the MiG-29 9-19, which sits at +/-170dg.

There are a few at 170°, a few at 140°, F14 if that counts 130° I think, lowest is 120°. It’s literally impossible for it to be “average”

@TheArcticFoxxo

That reduces its effectiveness how?
A 50x10dg scan with 4 bars isn’t at all bad. It covers a very manageable area that neither leaves a lot of deadspace between sweeps nor limits your scope to a small area.

50x10° is massively overkill for most application where you want to track one target without going full tunnel-vision and setting off alarm bells in targets aircraft (STT).

I also explained why 4 bar is the worst one in the game:

@CorporalApollo

It’s also especially hurt by the new scan pattern (Community Bug Reporting System)
Having more than 2 bars, 4 in this case makes it incredibly inconsistent and unpredictable, It can take up to 7 seconds between scans, couple this with the fact that TWS can’t even soft-lock making it susceptible to missing scans, you can easily be looking at 14 second reacquisition times in TWS, same in PD if one singular lock misses

@TheArcticFoxxo

Are you not manually slewing your radar to begin with?

I do

@TheArcticFoxxo

There is quite literally ZERO reason to soft-lock targets in TWS. If you want passive detection, you have IRST. If you want to lock somebody to fire a missile… You lock them?

There is. Like I said earlier ‘when you want to track one target without going full tunnel-vision on them and setting off alarm bells in targets aircraft (STT)’. Soft-locking also allows you to launch Fox 3’s, it also ensures target stays within the same bar at all times for consistent refreshes. Something 4-bar radars with current patterns MASSIVELY punishes you for missing (up-to 14 second reacquisition time like me and UD explained), it also means you can crank, gain/drop altitude however you want without target drifting out of the scan-zone or losing track.

@TheArcticFoxxo

You seemingly don’t play this aircraft for shit.

Read what I wrote again… Slowly…

Also, I have 93 games in the flanker in EC simulator games. A game mode where you actually rely on your avionics and don’t have the entire enemy team marked in red text 3 minutes into the game to point-and-click at with HMS. I also have ~4x more kills just in sim alone compared to you in all modes with same number of games.

@TheArcticFoxxo

Saying that average scope limits are bad, soft-locking with SARHs is important, and that the ACM is 10km is downright stupid and ignorant. To say whatever I’m stating is wild when you clearly haven’t played any Soviet / Russian top-tier in the last 2 months is hilariously idiotic.

You’re the one saying the radar is ‘VERY’ good and tunable with one of the best user-interactive integrations, and that it has the most information feedback when it’s objectively the worst radar in those exact areas. Also press the simulator tab

[CorporalApollo-psn]

also if you haven’t noticed, this is a sim thread. easy mistake though.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Yeah, we’ve been talking about sim this entire time… Have we not been?

[UnknownDistance]

I think he’s pointing it out because you accuse him of being bad in the Su-27 in spite of basically having not played it yourself in Sim.

I think it’s hilarious that a player with less than 5 games is claiming that everyone that has issues with the Su-27 radar has skill issues.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@CorporalApollo

There are a few at 170°, a few at 140°, F14 if that counts 130° I think, lowest is 120°. It’s literally impossible for it to be “average”

A few at 170? Such as what? To my knowledge only the MiG-29 9-19 has that.

It most definitely is average… It has the same azimuth as the APG-66, APG-68, APG-63, the Foxhunter 3G, the JL-10, the KLJ-7, EVERY Thompson / Thales radar (5 vehicles), the cyrano, the PS-46, and… Yeah, I think it’s pretty on-par with its opposition.

@CorporalApollo

There is. Like I said earlier ‘when you want to track one target without going full tunnel-vision on them and setting off alarm bells in targets aircraft (STT)’. Soft-locking also allows you to launch Fox 3’s, it also ensures target stays within the same bar at all times for consistent refreshes. Something 4-bar radars with current patterns MASSIVELY punishes you for missing (up-to 14 second reacquisition time like me and UD explained), it also means you can crank, gain/drop altitude however you want without target drifting out of the scan-zone or losing track.

And as I had said, what purpose would that serve?

I’m not sure if you lost the topic, or simply forgot where you are, but the Su-27 doesn’t carry ARH missiles.

@CorporalApollo

Read what I wrote again… Slowly…

Ah, yes, I do indeed enjoy going out of my way to put myself at a disadvantage using a mode that’s FAR worse than HMD, as well as hasn’t gotten its range tweaked.

Explain to me again why you would ever use ACM?

@CorporalApollo

Also, I have 93 games in the flanker in EC simulator games. A game mode where you actually rely on your avionics and don’t have the entire enemy team marked in red text 3 minutes into the game to point-and-click at with HMS. I also have ~4x more kills just in sim alone compared to you in all modes with same number of games.

Congratulations, I couldn’t care less.
I haven’t played realistic or sim since I’ve spaded either of my Su-27s, since then I’ve pushed about 9-10 flight hours in customs with dogfights and screwing around with BVR, plus a handful of tourneys.

Of course somebody with 1/7th my match count and a fraction of my custom clock would immediately point to sim stats… Especially trying to use it to attack somebody who doesn’t play it because of the exact issue noted in this post.
Not sure what you’re talking about with “all modes”, though… You’re 3/2 in the same aircraft that I’ve pushed a 2.4kd in.

@CorporalApollo

You’re the one saying the radar is ‘VERY’ good and tunable with one of the best user-interactive integrations, and that it has the most information feedback when it’s objectively the worst radar in those exact areas. Also press the simulator tab

Yes, it is. You have a myriad of options of detecting an enemy, as well as 2 PRF modes.
You have a TSD with radar integration in your HUD… How is that not one of the most informative systems in the game? Arguably the only vehicle that comes close would be the A-10C, and if not that then the Mirage 2000-5F with its high vis HDD.

What would the simulator tab tell me?

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@UnknownDistance

I think he’s pointing it out because you accuse him of being bad in the Su-27 in spite of basically having not played it yourself in Sim.

I never once accused him of being bad in the Su-27, and I play the Su-27 almost exclusively in sim.

@UnknownDistance

I think it’s hilarious that a player with less than 5 games is claiming that everyone that has issues with the Su-27 radar has skill issues.

Again, refer to custom time. I have more than both of you combined, as well as an exclusive title earned expressly by flying the Su-27 in full-real.

[UnknownDistance]

@TheArcticFoxxo

Again, refer to custom time. I have more than both of you combined, as well as an exclusive title earned expressly by flying the Su-27 in full-real.

What title is that?

[TheArcticFoxxo]

Holy hell, for a couple of stat munchers you guys sure do struggle to read.

[UnknownDistance]

1v1 Duelist isn’t a title you get for flying the Su-27 in full real controls if that is what you are implying.

Also time slinging missiles in AfricaMod is not the same as playing sim.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@UnknownDistance

1v1 Duelist isn’t a title you get for flying the Su-27 in full real controls if that is what you are implying.

Yes, it is. Unless you mean to tell me that I wasn’t going through the WoP bracket with an Su-27.

@UnknownDistance

Also time slinging missiles in AfricaMod is not the same as playing sim.

I’m sure it isn’t… That’s more than likely why you’d lose.

Not sure why you decided to go with Africa, though, he has quite possibly the SHITTIEST server of them all.
Just host your own.

But yeah, sure, keep up the elitism. You’re DEFINITELY better because you prefer less technical missile-slinging than dogfights and 1v1/2v2s.

[UnknownDistance]

@TheArcticFoxxo

I’m sure it isn’t… That’s more than likely why you’d lose.

Not sure why you decided to go with Africa, though, he has quite possibly the SHITTIEST server of them all.
Just host your own.

But yeah, sure, keep up the elitism. You’re DEFINITELY better because you prefer less technical missile-slinging than dogfights and 1v1/2v2s.

Lmao.

I’m pretty sure if we did F-15A vs Su-27 that I would win. Even if we did same plane duels I would probably win. And I don’t even play tournaments.

But that is really beside the point of the thread.

@TheArcticFoxxo

I never once accused him of being bad in the Su-27, and I play the Su-27 almost exclusively in sim.

Also this is a lie.

@TheArcticFoxxo

You seemingly don’t play this aircraft for shit.

[TheArcticFoxxo]

@UnknownDistance

I’m pretty sure if we did F-15A vs Su-27 that I would win.

Ah yes, because that’s definitely a fair fight.
What else, a maneuverability contest between the King George V and a corvette?

@UnknownDistance

Even if we did same plane duels I would probably win. And I don’t even play tournaments.

I’m sure you would. Feel free to invite me whenever.

@UnknownDistance

Also this is a lie.

@TheArcticFoxxo

You seemingly don’t play this aircraft for shit.

That isn’t accusing him of being bad?
That’s saying that his statement of

@CorporalApollo

It’s the only radar at top-tier still limited to 10km

Was indicative of him not playing the aircraft recently. He cleared that up quite well by showing me the ACM mode, while i was under the impression he was mentioning the HMD.

Careful man, your 'tism is showing. Not all of us were blessed with general understanding of a language / social cues.

[CorporalApollo-psn]

@TheArcticFoxxo

@CorporalApollo

It’s the only radar at top-tier still limited to 10km

Was indicative of him not playing the aircraft recently. He cleared that up quite well by showing me the ACM mode, while i was under the impression he was mentioning the HMD.

Can you tell me what the very next word is in that quote of mine lmfao

[TheArcticFoxxo]

ACM, which I had thought was out of the question as going out of your way to use ACM is quite idiotic.

[LeoNerdo]

@TheArcticFoxxo

@UnknownDistance

pretty sure if we did F-15A vs Su-27 that I would win.

Ah yes, because that’s definitely a fair fight.

If thats not a fair fight, should the Su-27 go to 12.7 then? 😂