Stingers will be 'fixed'. To 13g's :))))))))

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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Damn @Gunjob really do a God’s work thank you

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It’s true, it’s nice to have a mod who actually listens to the community and doesn’t push people into having to find more and more sketchy documents just to get something simple fixed.

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So when the source above states “Maneuverability (g) 22” you think the maneuverability isn’t 22 G and they’re wrong?

Do you not think they would take the missile spin into account when giving this figure?

And ask yourself, what use is a figure like this if it doesn’t apply to the real world and the system’s capabilities.

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really wonder that Mistral SATCP really can put 12G irl or more?

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No, the peak g is more than 20g , averaging out to 20g.

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I just said the source is correct.
What you’re ignoring is the source says the missile rotates & the G-load is temporary during specific rotation.

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Which one, and where, because I can’t find it.

What I can see however is a whole lot of 20-22G, in several separate documents.

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No it doesn’t…

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We need to really politely ask gaijin where did they get the 13g from despite several documents saying its 20-22g

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To what? Get an answer that explains why they are straight up ignoring requisite proof that that they are blatantly wrong.

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Stinger does rotate, No one is arguing with that. Recipe missile rotating and having 20 g manoeuvrability are not literally mutually exclusive

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I wish I could find that Q and A they did where they make their claim about why Stingers can’t pull 20s, so I could dissect it more thoroughly, but at the end of the day, the reason they’ve decided to halfass this is that they hold their own baseless supposition on what the Stinger is theoretically capable of, over the manuals that describe the actual capabilities of the missile.

Imagine thinking you know more about how a missile works than the military that’s used them since the 70’s.

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You said this:

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So where in the sources does it say that? Are you going to back it up?

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The King themselves <3

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/362053f8-67d2-4c58-9bb7-82d127c66685

I am also fully in capable of figuring out how to attach a gif via mobile lol

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/18anmnt/datamine_231162_231163/

" So heres your extra 3G, choke on it… We’re taking 0.2 mach from it instead" lol

2.31.1.62 → 2.31.1.63

  • FIM-92 Stinger : FIM-92E, FIM-92K :
    • Drag Coef : 2.1 → 1.8
    • Distance From CM to Stabilizers : 0.02 → 0.015 m
    • Fins AoA : 4.5 → 4.185°
    • Mass After Booster Burn : 7.35 → 7.445 kg
    • Mass After Sustainer Burn : 6 → 5.5 kg
    • Booster Burn Time : 2 → 1.4 s
    • Sustainer Burn Time : 6 → 5.6 s* Booster Force : 3400 → 4340 N
    • Sustainer Force : 700 → 675 N
    • Start Speed : 25 → 30 m/s
    • Max Speed : 680 → 670 m/s
    • Max statcard G-load : 10 → 13 G
    • Statcard Max Mach : 2.2 → 2 Mach
    • Guidance :
      • Removed LOFT
      • Delay : 0.5 → 0.3 s
      • Max G-load : 10 → 13 G
      • PID proportional term : 0.004 → 0.0056
      • PID integral term : 0.0906 → 0.0841
      • PID derivative term : 0.0003 → 0.0005
  • ATAS :
    • Drag Coef : 2.1 → 1.8
    • Distance From CM to Stabilizers : 0.02 → 0.015 m
    • Fins AoA : 4.5 → 4.185°
    • Mass After Booster Burn : 7.35 → 7.445 kg
    • Mass After Sustainer Burn : 6 → 5.5 kg
    • Booster Burn Time : 2 → 1.4 s
    • Sustainer Burn Time : 6 → 5.6 s
    • Booster Force : 3400 → 4340 N
    • Sustainer Force : 700 → 675 N
    • Added Launch Delay = 0.25 s
    • Start Speed : 0 → 30 m/s
    • Max statcard G-load : 10 → 13 G
    • Statcard Max Mach : 2.2 → 2 Mach
    • Guidance :
      • IR Seeker : Added Arret Angles = [0.0, 0.0]°
      • Delay : 0.5 → 0.3 s
      • Max G-load : 10 → 13 G
      • PID proportional term : 0.004 → 0.0056
      • PID integral term : 0.0906 → 0.0841
      • PID derivative term : 0.0003 → 0.0005
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They also said Data Link is “fundamentally impossible”.

Its impossible because Russians cant do it. They have trash for Guidance computers/Ai or as buzzworded as “Data Integration”, in comparison to the West

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Should it not have loft?

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Im not familiar with such thing so I dunno

The only thing I catched is that the stinger is indeed a rotating airframe missile and thus a different overload values should be implemented - but even with this in mind they are still a few ‘g’ short.

I didn’t bother to dig deeper, can’t say much about the validity of such claims

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Drag is down, and lower speed means that the 3 extra Gs improve it even more. Honestly thats just a nice buff. Peak speed doesnt matter

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What is LOFT anyway?