Pretty much yes, frustrating sometimes, But doable. If it went at 10.7 or 11.0, it most likely would dominate majority of the times.
Most people are ok with leaving Chinese vehicles out of the subtree, so long as the non-chinese vehicles get to stay. Thailand is one of the few Asian countries which doesn’t have issues with Japan, so we’d like to make a subtree work.
Of course we’d love to have some of the Thai owned Chinese vehicles present, but we understand it’s not an agreeable term at the moment :)
İ dont understand why people kept calling F4EJ ADTW trash all the time, sure its not the best plane at 11.0 but my personal experience was far from bein nightmare, in fact it was quite good.
My thoughts exactly. It’s wee bit too high and wee bit too low to fit ground lineups.
I was hoping for a good addition to 11.0 BR tanks, but now I feel no urge to grind them. Waste of time and effort.
Ill get a plane for ARB, and thats it.
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Maybe once they make a separate Br for GRB for Air vehicles, might be 11.0 to fit the 11.0 Line up while staying at 11.3 for Air RB. Can only hope.
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Nah it’s objectively the worst 11.0 plane. Both the ADTW and the tech tree one (which is the one I was talking about specifically)
- Aim7E are terrible
- It doesn’t have access to the Aim7E-2(DF) which are on the US F4E, which are much better at close range.
- No leading edge slat (agile eagle upgrade), so the plane is a boat
- The radar is an oven that refuse to lock anything below 1000 meters of altitude. And since it doesn’t have the 7E2, the actual window for launching missiles at close range is way smaller. The 7E2 takes 0.7 seconds to start tracking after launch, while the E takes about 1.8 seconds.
The US F4E at the same BR has the agile eagle upgrades and the 7E2 DF, which makes it superior at a fundamental level.
Current matchmaking send the F4EJ in 12.0 match almost every time. F4S is already outclassed at this BR, so the EJ is in the worst spot possible.
It’s especially funny if you compare it to the Viggen model C, with a PD radar, a TWS, two Skyflash (which are 7E2 DF) and a much better flight model at the same BR.
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İts not, you need to lead them properly and adjust the timine before firing.
Standart F4 issue and quite use to it, so doesnt bother me.
Us F4E should be 11.3 at least.
Consdering im playing 11.0-12.0 constantly i would say this claim is not true.
Or maybe its the Viggen and other 11.0 plane sitting at wrong br, not F4EJ.
You’d have to get every other fighters at 11.0 at a higher BR in that case. Because the F4EJ sits at the very bottom. Maybe the J7D is worse, but I’d call that one overtiered instead.
Viggen C doesn’t deserves 11.3 IMO. The D could go to 11.7 however.
I don’t even do that badly with the 4EJ I might add. I think I have a K/D of 1 or maybe a bit above that. But it’s certainly not a pleasant experience. The plane just isn’t fun to fly to me.
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Oh quick question: Does the FCU’s radar also lack IFF?
Yes
Pity.
That’s what had me leave out the F-5E’s for now in Sim EC, but guess I’ll still try them now, being eeextra careful… = )
Compression is huge problem ever since this game released, ofc other 11.0 planes should recieve a br increasement depending on their overall performance.
İt can hold itself at 11.3 if general br increasement happens and even then 11.3 isnt the end of the world for Viggen C.
I have 3 K/D ratio in that plane, most of the time i was getting 10.3-11.3 mm which was a good place where you could test your skills with F4EJ ADTW.
Fair enough, personal preferences can be different.
Have you played it recently ?
Genuinely curious, because I’m currently playing a lot of 11.0-11.7 (F4 variants, F5E FCU, Mirage 2000-S4) matches and it’s almost always uptiered to 12.0 to 12.3.
Yes i did and mm was fine during couple matches.
Might be lucky tho.
Well i made a picture to explain what happened to China players and Why couldn’t put CN or KR vehicles in Japan TT……
#6 for air supority and #8 without cannon for ground striking
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EJ suffers mostly from the meta, I think. In an uptier to 12.0 (which I must echo was far more common for me than a downtier, and is only bound to become more common with F-20’s popularity) you lack any killing power due to the ineffective radar and abundance of flares. It usually wouldn’t matter if you had E-2s because your ability to keep and hold a lock is nonexistent against planes flying lower than you, and you physically can’t fly lower than most everyone on the enemy team since 90% of both teams hug the deck.
The players who don’t hug the deck are F-14s and the occasional enterprising MiG-29, which you may be able to survive a BVR encounter with, but you won’t be killing them unless you sneak up behind them in a massive flanking maneuver. The problem with the flanking maneuver is it usually results in two outcomes: Your team is dead by the time you engage and if you are good/lucky you can take down a guy or two before going down, or the enemy team is dead by the time you engage and if you are good/lucky you can steal a guy or two before the game ends. It was still the best uptier strategy I could find and I used it in most of my ~90 games in it, since I was committed to doing absolutely no ground attacking.
As you say the thing is a monster in a downtier. At 10.0-.3 it can dominate at altitude (7E is plenty powerful at range,) and then after wiping out the obligatory 1-3 MiG-21s you can run energy traps on everyone below 'till the cows come home, and with 90 CMs and superlative speed it has little to fear in terms of IR missiles. BR adjustment to 10.7 is out of the question as a buff, not that anyone in this thread was suggesting that but I have seen such a suggestion floated here before.
I’d actually like to hear what your strategy for success is in the EJ, in an uptier particularly. I already unlocked the AJ and have little reason to go back (would rather unlock and try the EJ Kai) but your stats are quite impressive in it and can’t be down to luck, so I’d like to know your approach.
11.0 is Hell rn
Where is the F-5 for Germany, Russia, Britain, Italy, France and Israel?
Three nations have the F-5 right now. That barely qualifies as “almost everybody”.