baffling that a stealth aircraft doesn’t have RWR
I said that basing realistic matchmaking around service entry is the most sensible approach to the concept of realism in the context of matchmaking.
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You are using “realism” wrong. As long as the 40’s planes still flew in some capacity during the 80’s then they could have faced each other.
Realistic means that it is by the laws of physics possible, it doesn’t mean “historically correct/accurate”.
Again, i don’t even think its possible. Many vehicles have been introduced that far outclassed the capabilities of contemporaries for years before a equivalent was developed by a different country.
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That sentence means Realistic matchmaking is based on entry into service. Now maybe you didn’t mean that but that is what you said and is where I make my statements around.
The technology of the time didn’t allow for a stealthy RWR implementation. There seem to have been an RLS (Radar Locator System) that could function as RWR, which used retractable antenna arrays, at some point. But the function was disabled, at least accordingly to flight manuals it’s non functional.
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can that rwr detect irst?
Wrong.
I don’t see a MiG-15bis or a MiG-17 versing F-117’s every single game as accurate and true to life.
That’s why you put a MiG-29 against an F-16A and not a MiG-23 or a MiG-21bis. Both balanced and realistic/sensible.
They can’t even do that, very recently they put F-4E and MiG-23MLD together at 11.3 and F-4J at 12.0 in sim (I think it was only in sim, I don’t remember).
It can be used in that sense yes, but not in relation to historical events. try to search for “Historically realistic” and see what you get.
Both of those were still in active use by North Korea well into the introduction of the F-117. They could very much have faced each other during several years of overlap before the F-117 retired.
That’s beside the point though, if you put the F-117 at only historical matching then it wont be able to do anything at all, it will be practically useless in air battles.
The game isn’t balanced by date of service. There is no half-way point between date of service and game balance that suddenly makes it more historically realistic.
But a MiG-15 was primarily used in the Korean War against Sabres, what’s so hard to understand about this. That’s like 90% of MiG-15’s history, while the matchup against an F-117 is only theoretical.
If you want to see this matchup happening, then ask for another MiG-15 variant at 13.7, instead of ruining the original one.
It won’t be able to do anything, because it was not built for a 16v16 team deathmatch…
It’s a slider. MiG-21bis vs F-4E is more realistic than MiG-21F-13 vs A-10, which is more realistic than MiG-15 vs F-117, which is more realistic than I-15 vs F-15. The difference in service entries is the value of the historical inaccuracy slider.
It’s different if given vehicles were widely used in the same conflict though.
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so what you are saying is that the Gripen shouldn’t be in game at all with that logic, it has never been in combat.
There is A LOT of vehicles in the game that were never used in combat and never faced any enemy.
Most of the matchup’s in the entire game are theoretical.
What you are asking for is a historical simulator/reenactment which this game isn’t and probably never will be.
But at a lower BR it has a chance of at least bombing a base or two before match end/being knocked out. at the BR you are suggesting it would practically never get any RP/SL in any match it plays.
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Yes, I agree with you…
There are still a lot of unknowns about this aircraft…
The question is, if the Sidewinder can be used on this plane, what was its mission…
Personally, I think that the Sidewinder was for self-defense or for the good feeling of the pilots, because after dropping the bombs, this plane is already such a defenseless “dove of peace” that benefits only from its reduced visibility for radars to return to the base…
I could probably imagine that the Sidewinder could be used offensively against a larger reconnaissance aircraft, or a military transport aircraft, maybe under certain conditions against a large bomber, but for active combat, definitely not…
The concept was to hunt soviet AWACS, you would sneak up to it undetected and engage using sidewinders
This didn’t work out due to it’s lack of radar, without which you can’t really locate your target.
Here’s a good article on it
But the Gripen’s theoretical matchup against MiG-29s and Su-27s is it’s entire history. It’s the only reason it exists.
Again, you know this, because it’s obvious. You actively try to not see it to conform with Gaijin’s ways.
No I’m not, that’s a hyperbole.
“A chance of at least bombing a base or two before match end/being knocked out” is a miserable balance goal.
The game mode should be rebuilt to accommodate it or it shouldn’t be added to the game at all.
I don’t think an SR-71 or a U-2 should ever be added to the game, if there are no recon missions/tasks that would have a real impact on the battle.
Right now base bombing exists, but it’s hardly ever a reason why you won the battle. CAS is a little better, but only if the battle lasts long enough that both teams go back to base to rearm and you have free airspace to do CAS, which is rarely the case.
Yes, we read about it…
I don’t know much about it and we don’t know the type of possible Sidewinder, but do you think it wouldn’t be possible to guide the enemy’s large reconnaissance aircraft, the 117, using some … secure datalink via AWACS…?
Now? Yes.
But I’m not sure if this tech was available back in the 80s when it was developed
They did consider the possibility of having a radar that quickly scanned the area in front of it in a single sweep. Sort of like how a camera captures an image using it’s shutter.
If this sweep was done once in while it wouldn’t give the enemy enough time or information to trace your location. Nothing came of it sadly
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But you just said:
Implying that theoretical matchups aren’t okay.
But now you are saying that they are?
did you change your mind or did i misunderstand something somewhere?
that is the only option the F-117 has in air battles though. what else could it do?
And in CAS its currently BR 10.0 in DEV so probably closer to what you would want anyway.
There is no need to put the only base models of the MiG-15 in the game in a theoretical matchup, where it’s very outdated and used by some 3rd world country to fight F-117s, if it has extensive usage history in the Korean War.
It’s obvious, you just try really hard to pretend it’s not.
You can add another MiG-15 variant at some high BR, if you want to feature the fact that North Korea uses them to this day, but that’s no excuse to ruin the Korean War experience.
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Make base bombing have a bigger impact on the battle. Add other targets to bomb than just a “base”.
Make bombing an interesting and nuanced part of gameplay, instead of a braindead way to grind that doesn’t have any impact on the battle.
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They should just add countermeasures man at least x60! Since it can barely defend itself, those of you who disagree with me proof that Japan operates the F-16A Block 15.
No one will play it.
If you want historical re-enactments, there are some other game for that.
Making air fields bombable again would help a lot. Maybe port over the sim air fields to air rb.
It didnt carry them so no. And stating a wrong choice doesnt make another wrong choice correct.
I think it will be like the su25 and a10. 95% of its use will be in ground rb.
It will be less effective than those planes but that is probably for the best.