Pretty big claim that is now NOWHERE to be found.
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You mean an off-topic post that I deleted due to being off-topic?
Yet you didn’t delete yours yet?
Lord forbid I police myself and keep things on-topic…
It was on-topic, since you claimed his test wasn’t accurate. It’s a fair claim to make if you had any basis for it, but you didn’t post any data or sources whatsoever - only now after multiple edits and being called out.
This conversation only went offtopic because of your dishonesty.
Oh shit! Bro’s climbin at 2km/s!!1!
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My bad, lmao. I’ll correct it right away.
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Spitfire is REALLY overperforming now, at this rate it’ll beat the MiG-25RB
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@PercussionCap Sincerity and honesty is not dishonest no matter how much your post claims.
This is what I said, cause I doubted the claims as his post provided no screenshots nor video of the test.
Claims without evidence.
I just wanted to see the evidence for myself so I can know to support the cause.
Careful, someone will post and call you dishonest for correcting it. ;)
Thank you for being vigilant and always edit your posts when spotting errors.
Nothing is more sincere and honest than editing a post.
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This even reached the point where deleted replies means Tables man now has two consecutive replies, one of which leads to nowhere if you click the button to see what he’s replying to.
edit: thanks to forum, the scrolling screenshot above is fucked. This one isn’t:
I didn’t see this post earlier.
Thank you for this, Flip.
Sadly PercussionCap’s posts are attempting to derail this topic.
At least yourself, Blitz, and I are in agreement on this issue at this stage in the topic.
Though later you did have posts saying I was wrong for acknowledging the fact Spitfire is overperforming.
I hope we can get passed that.
Simply making everyone here see why the previous exchange appears so weird, as if me and Flip are responding to entirely different messages, some of which are now deleted.
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Hahaha, sry man but smn wasnt adding up
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No-one is wrong. The plane is overperforming no matter what fuel load you consider. The sources indicates the irl spit weighed 3281kg. If a 3288kg spit (25mins of fuel in game) performs demostrably better than a 3281kg spit, the point is made.
No need to split hairs with the weight or fuel minutes etc.
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Apologies for the drama in here.
I made some typing mistakes and they honed in on them.
My reflexes typed up something while I was watching a film at some point and I deleted that off-topic post cause my brain was wandering for that post.
I came here on a fact-finding mission and to see if I could support this cause, and I mistyped many things.
My bad.
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No need to apologise. Matters such as this naturally attract drama, no hard feelings
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I can confirm that I tested the climb with 0% radiators. This is why I took time finding a source that explicitly stated the irl aircraft had shut rads
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That’s good to know, but even IF you had your radiators open, this would still mean the LF Mk IX was overperforming as your climb would be worse with them open.
I’ve had suspicions that the Spitfires were overperforming before, and this might apply to other models as well.
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i thought most spits are underperforming, in turn rate, oil temp, energy retention and engine boost to name a few, quite a wild assumption to say theyre ALL overperforming just because one is.
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I believe their turn rate is overperforming due to pilot acounts in the BoB and the russian pilots who used them saying they weren’t very maneuverable. Both of these are very weird claims when comparing them in WT because the spitfire easily outturns 109 E/Fs and Yaks (who instead have to play energy), but I haven’t seen IRL turn rate testing graphs or numbers. So until then it’s just a suspicion.
As for temperatures, that’s a very common trend. Bearcar and Tigercat suffered from overcooling at high speed, yet in-game they overheat. Fw190 cylinder head temp issues were fixed in the early A models, yet in-game the oil just refuses to cool down. There’s more examples, but it’s not worth mentioning them.
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From A. Price’s “The Spitfire Story” we can find a typical turn radius of a Spitfire Mk.Vb, which was right below 1000 feet, compared with Fw 190’s 1450 feet. I guess similar measurements can be found for 109s from German trials.
The Soviets measured the minimal turn time, and for Spitfire LF Mk.IX the time was 17,5s
Considering the performance of many aircraft, most in the game are overperforming in certain aspects. What comes to mind quickly is the higher-speed handling of A6M or Bf 109. Or, in case of the latter, the flatter speed in general (which was irl limited to 750 kmph, while it’s 794 in the game).
Ideally it’d be cool to see all aircraft perform exactly the way they did in reality, but that would be hard and would likely disappoint a number of certain fans. Another problem would be the discrepancy between different tests of similar models, as it was with Bf 109G in Germany, Finland and USSR.
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But at what speed, altitude, and weight? Was it sustained or instantaneous?
There’s plenty of finnish pilot accounts that detail them going MUCH faster than that, and while compressibility is a very serious issue, its not a death sentence by any means. High speed handling of 109s is pretty accurate at the moment.
IMO this should only happen if the Zeros ever go down in BR, as I feel that gaijin would be all too happy to leave them overtiered afterwards, like they did with the Ki-43-III.
It would, but it’s a disservice to everyone else when their favorite aircraft can’t perform as it did IRL because something else is overperforming. Or, if you’re a Fw190 fan, watch as gaijin does everything in their power to ruin them.
Allied tests of 109s are notoriously unreliable, due to using previously damaged airframes and either not disclosing or using the wrong engine settings. This also applies to the Aleutian Zero and I assume many others, where the mechanics that repaired them, however good they may be, don’t have access to factory parts or manuals.
This would be different for finnish 109s, russian Spitfires or Aira/Kingcobras since they were supplied with those things, of course.
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