In 1937, the USSR conducted tests on the simulated module of the PR23. One of the 14-inch armor-piercing rounds achieved a complete penetration at this speed.
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can you give me link on this book?
Have anyone looked at this? It’s 176 pages book about Soyuz class. For some reason auto translate is buggy for me.
Same here unfortunately
Ok i read it. The main target of this tests was to get data for armor manufacturers, which was acquired. When you argue about could or can’t Soviet Union produce good armor during the war you forget that after 1941 most of production were evacuated to the middle of the USSR where production during the war only rose up every year, where new technologies in armor production were implemented and mastered. You can read about Soviet metallurgy during the war and be amazed how far it got. Even about those armor plates you were talking by the year 1940 only half of armor tested had defects cause there were no standardization at the moment and quality based on master who manufactured plate skill (evacuation happened after with standardization and improvements in production), and if test failed it led to rejection of whole batch, which from the point of quality assurance is way higher standards then Germany used during the war.
I have it yes
So? I don’t think it says anywhere that the Soviet Union was capable of making good armor.
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Sure, USSR can’t anything, and that why it won Great Patriotic War. Making 3к+ kv-1 tanks and 14k+ t-34 before tigers or punters even started to produce.
btw. where you got this from, one book written in 1994 or from armor production statistics data and metallurgy history of USSR?
Germany made thousands less Tigers and Panthers and managed to destroy almost the entire 1941-1943 T-34 fleet.
What kind of ridiculous sophistry is this? If you’re claiming that the Soviet Union was capable of producing good naval armor — provide evidence.
By the way, it collapsed in 1991.
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So you claimed that it can’t, so prove it first. With documents. Not with some fiction book from 90-2000
So destroyed, that USSR won the Battle of Kursk where tigers and panters first appeared in big numbers. Before is-2 and 34-85 even started to produce.
Wow, someone is so unfamiliar with basic logic that they’re demanding proof of a negative. Go ahead and prove that people in the Soviet Union didn’t walk on their heads. With documents.
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So you don’t need to proof you statements. Ok, no wonder that devs don’t care about your sad stories.
btw. even the last paragraph in this screen of the book, you so adore, says, test shoot didn’t penetrate the armor.
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This statement is so true. Compared to the other few project ships (i.e. Etna, Margottini), the Russian ones are just outright ridiculous. While the Izmail’s fine, Kronshtadt as of right now is second only to the Scharnhorst and the SovSoy will very well and truly replace it as the most cancerous battleship to sail War Thunder’s seas. The fact that most of its specs are made up like its armour makes it even more egregious.
Speaking of armour, if one has incomplete evidence of a ship’s armour scheme or has barely any evidence of such, as is the case right now, why don’t you just leave it be and move onto something more complete like the Imperator Nikolai I, which likely has more complete evidence for its armour layout and was actually launched like the Izmail?
They aren’t even trying to hide their bias towards Russia even in the Naval realm at this point.
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That bias were Abrams get best achieved reload time, when soviet T-72, T-80, T-90 automatic loader get worst case scenario, when it need to reload shot from the other side of the loader rolling all carrousel, not the nearest one(not even the average one). For sure it’s Russian bias.
Or maybe when Scharnhorst have 3 RPM reload, when Sovetsky Soyuuz will get 2.1 instead of 2.6, and Roma 1.3 instead of 2.0.
yeah, build and tested should be a minimum standard for everything in game.
You really don’t understand how shipbuilding works. With approach like this you will stay with USA vs Japan on some BRs, and then when Rocket ships arrive you will get total domination of USSR. Believe me you don’t want it. And maybe if you played naval from low to top not just couple fights with costal ones, same like person who you replied too, you get some different thoughts about naval.
Projecting on planes and ground you will loose a lot of vehicles too btw.
yes.
This is how the world works.
And this is how parts of this game should work.
We have teams, so the lack of br’s of one nation should be compensated with good stuff from others.
Also war is made to be asymmetric.
You build good ships to destroy my ships, lets bring planes into this, that can sink your ships way better.
Different doctrines exist for a reason and should be in game, and not forced to be the same for everyone.
like the Sowjet/Russian doctrine of flooding the air with big, supersonic anti ship missiles, at the start of engagements, while the US focusses on lots of small, subsonic ones, primarily fired by planes.
Also we lost a vehicle that was build and tested, being fully combat ready for a way worse reason.
Gaijin being unable to build a balanced game, without destroying old stuff.