In fact, the Soviet Union produced 395mm armor, but the performance of these armors was extremely poor. It was penetrated by WWI’s 14-inch armor-piercing shell at a speed of 105% during the test.
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It seems refer about SAP, which used in test and combat mostly. Original book I have it about doesn’t mention AP or SAP specially. Navweap distort it as AP penetration.
Precisely, I’m now in suspicious about that russian book itself as it is not specifically about Soyuz and its develpment, but is encyclopedia overall russian&soviet cannon from 19th and 20th century. Who will take wikipedia or Britannica encyclopedia as reliable source? I’ve already seen two times that even Gaijin has more official and reliable document than those book.
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I’ve heard some rumors that 13.6KM, 25 degrees and 406mm are not test data but performance indicators. This indicator was not even reached in the actual test.
That’s definitely not true.
The prototype of M1915/28, the M1915 is said to have an index of 16.7KM, 25 degrees and 422mm, but there are rumors that this data has not been achieved either. The modified M1915/28 also failed to meet the reduced target. However, I also have doubts about this. The performance of the thick target plates used by the USSR is very poor. The 395mm armor could even be penetrated by the 14inch patt1911 at a 15-degree Angle of 508m/s. If these are true, it is most likely because the USSR is still using caps designed based on WWI. This leads to a rapid decline in the performance of the shell when the landing Angle is slightly larger.
Too bad gaijin will read this and do nothing about it. The naval base of the game isn’t important enough for gaijin to care it feels like.
I’m trying to get back into naval since I do love the ships, but man is the total lack of balance unfun, and it doesn’t really seem like this update will fix that. It seems like the same will occur: one huge meta defining super ship that racks up 30k damage and wipes the entire enemy team while every other ship on the friendly team can not even get damage points to grind. It’s fun to be that player I’m sure, but wow does it make for a miserable existence for 95% of the rest of the lobby.
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What I have about their shape shows that their cap design is more of WW2 German design than WW1 design.
I cannot tell by the name because Imperial Russian-derived shells usually use same name if they design in same year, only can be distinguished by AP / SAP/ HE put infront of it (meaning we could have both AP model 1914 and SAP model 1914)
So I could not find enough source to change my first thought of navweap and encyclopedia confuses SAP as AP
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Where is the source of your first picture? Considering the design era of 1915, it is unlikely to have such a modern cap design. It is more likely to use a small quilt cap similar to that of 1911.
If you have ever paid attention to Japanese armor-piercing shells, you will find that T/D=0.9 and an Angle of 25 degrees can be an insurmountable obstacle for some armor-piercing shells. Considering that the USSR armor-piercing projectile has a large cavity and a relatively backward design, it is very likely to disintegrate at 25 degrees.
It’ model 1914/1928. Actually, I don’t understand why you say 1915 when actual original designed model is model 1914.
What is the source where you read it?
In 1937, the USSR conducted tests on the simulated module of the PR23. One of the 14-inch armor-piercing rounds achieved a complete penetration at this speed.
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can you give me link on this book?
Have anyone looked at this? It’s 176 pages book about Soyuz class. For some reason auto translate is buggy for me.
Same here unfortunately
Ok i read it. The main target of this tests was to get data for armor manufacturers, which was acquired. When you argue about could or can’t Soviet Union produce good armor during the war you forget that after 1941 most of production were evacuated to the middle of the USSR where production during the war only rose up every year, where new technologies in armor production were implemented and mastered. You can read about Soviet metallurgy during the war and be amazed how far it got. Even about those armor plates you were talking by the year 1940 only half of armor tested had defects cause there were no standardization at the moment and quality based on master who manufactured plate skill (evacuation happened after with standardization and improvements in production), and if test failed it led to rejection of whole batch, which from the point of quality assurance is way higher standards then Germany used during the war.
I have it yes
So? I don’t think it says anywhere that the Soviet Union was capable of making good armor.
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Sure, USSR can’t anything, and that why it won Great Patriotic War. Making 3к+ kv-1 tanks and 14k+ t-34 before tigers or punters even started to produce.
btw. where you got this from, one book written in 1994 or from armor production statistics data and metallurgy history of USSR?