The KF-5 only differs with a slightly different nose, APG-159, LEX, and AN/ALR-46(V)9 all of which are American developed upgrades that can be represented on a later block American F-5F or F-5N. The sole thing that is purely Korean is a single bomb.
The KF-16C just mounted the ASPJ which again is a US jamming pod fully capable of being added to US F-16s. The K prefix in both cases is just to represent domestic production of many systems over some specialized variant.
Finally the F-15Ks only differences airframe wise are a slightly modified TEWS and the AAS-42 which is once again a US developed system that could easily be mounted on any F-15E. As for unique weapons it just uses a German bomb.
These aren’t planes with a bunch of Korean modifications, they just bought the optional packages all built by Americans. At least Israel put some unique Israeli developed missiles and radars on their planes and even then they are considered a massive cpp air tree.
Israel has a lot more vehicles than South Korea. SK on its own would be abysmal as a tech tree. The only way you could make it work is by either
A joining them together with North Korea or
B adding them to the nation they have the strongest ties to
I seriously don’t understand why the US not strictly needing Korea is a deal breaker for such a subtree. If we use the logic of whether or not the game needs something to justify it’s inclusion, then S. Korea shouldn’t be added in the first place, outside of premium or event vehicles, as that dev time would objectively be better spent fleshing out existing trees then adding more new tech trees. Yeah, the US does not need a sub tree, but it is the best option if you want to see S. Korean vehicles ingame and nothing is degraded by giving the US a subtree.
I understand your point of view but at one point or another they will be added we just don’t know how, that’s the big question, cause all nations have test examples of vehicles that could be added but recently it has been a lot of copy and paste rather than new vehicles
I feel a reason for why there’s been so much copy paste, besides greed, is that because there are so many nations in the game, Gaijin’s resources are split too much to give a proper vehicle to every nation every update, so instead of giving a nation nothing, they give a copy and paste vehicle as filler. This is honestly the biggest reason I’m against an independent S. Korean tech tree, as it would further divide Gaijin’s resources when many nations are in desperate need of being fleshed out. While a S. Korean subtree to the US is unnecessary, it would not demand the same amount of resources and what copy/paste there would be would not be noticeable as most S. Korea armor has historically come from the US, outside of notable exceptions such as the T-80. I really can’t think of a good reason why it shouldn’t be a subtree of the US outside of the nation not strictly needing it, which is frankly flimsy.
With how much money gaijin makes they can easily hire more staff since they already contract out their vehicle modeling. Regardless, if we are going to see anymore nations in game, they should 1) Be able to provide content across all ranks rather than just too tier. 2) Have a decent air tree that’s not 95% cpp. 3) if its a sub-tree, go to nation that actually needs the content.
SK as a sub tree for America doesn’t fill any of that criteria and if a new nation does come it should be Yugoslavia or Visegrad. If Gaijin is that tight on resources it should go to something better.
Yugoslavia, from my admittedly cursory research, has even less tanks the S. Korea and is no longer extent, and while I admittedly have done even less research on it’s successor states, I have doubts that even with those nations that there would be enough for a full tree that doesn’t have extensive copy paste.
Visegrad isn’t a nation, rather an alliance of nations which has no precedent in War Thunder, and one of it’s members is already a sub tree in Italy. If Gaijin had a plan to include the alliance, they probably wouldn’t have added Hungary to Italy.
Given how few nations there are that can be meaningfully added to War Thunder, I really don’t like the idea of arbitrarily saying that a sub tree shouldn’t be added because a nation doesn’t need it. I’d rather have really thick nations then having a bunch of copy-paste and gap filled TTs, and I really doubt that Gaijin is going to stop adding nations, in whatever form they take.
Don’t know what you’re smoking but Yugoslavia has domestic stuff from rank 1 to rank 7/8 as well as way more than 2 domestic planes. Also why criticize Visegrad as a multinational tree when people are already having to combine SK and NK to justify an anemic tree that could maybe start from rank 4.
The US doesn’t need it. You talk about adding SK to US to “free up resources” but all you are doing is taking away resources for adding domestic US equipment.
Yugoslavia, from my admittedly cursory research, has even less tanks the S. Korea and is no longer extent, and while I admittedly have done even less research on it’s successor states
And it shows by you not knowing what you are talking about. Yugoslavia has more than enough vehicles especially in the Ground TT to make a fully fleshed out not only with largely domestic vehicles but also extensive modifications on the few foreign vehicles that they do operate from Tier I to Tier VIII
Visegrad isn’t a nation, rather an alliance of nations which has no precedent in War Thunder
You are clearly delusional to the reality of WT. We already have a precedent for alliance TT’s in the form of the Chinese TT (Republic of China and the Communist Insurgents which eventually formed the PRC), German TT (FDR & DDR) and we had these types of TT’s for a while. The proposed United Korean TT is very similar in concept to the Chinese and German TT’s
I’d rather have really thick nations having a bunch of copy-paste and gap filled TTs
That’s what you are going to happen to the former by doing the latter through adding pointless subtrees
The whole “Thick TT” thing is something we should not be actively be encouraged at all. If a TT’s is Large but is filled with unique designs with the Copy n Paste designs being the exception then great. Otherwise having large TT’s for the sake of having large TT’s is flawed on a conceptual level, it just makes grinding it [in the perspective of a more casual and/or F2P player] more tedious for no good reason other than to pad it out as well as the addition of the TT let alone the subtree completely pointless.
Finally the addition of any Subtree to either the US or USSR is not only unnecessary but detrimental to both the host nation and the subtree nation. Its not only denies a line as well as an entire series of vehicles, the addition of the South African, Hungarian and Benelux TT’s are perfect examples since it denies the UK a LT line, Italy and France for another Fighter or Strike fighter line while a whole bunch of unique South African, Hungarian, Belgian and Dutch designs get left behind even including designs that reach the production line and no the “MuH StReTcHeD ReSoUrCeS” argument cannot explain this on it’s own if anything it makes it worse by giving Gaijin an excuse to siphon resources away from adding more unique content
TL:DR: Subtrees 4/5ths of a time are a total land/data waste for a TT that rarely makes the Host TT any more engaging to play or even alleviate any issues with the Host TT in any meaningful way
There are Yugoslav tech tree proposals for aviation, ground, naval and helicopters, so I recommend you have a look.
I don’t wish to be rude, but it’s not the smartest of moves to criticize a country as an option when you haven’t looked into them properly despite the readily and easily available information that has been compiled by the community.
I am a Korean user of War Thunder. This is absolutely true. Foreign users do not know much about Korean and Japanese history. If Korea appears as a subtree in the Japanese tree, this will lead to a huge controversy and controversy in Korea and Japan. Also, Korean users He will leave War Thunder. In the first place, the War Thunder staff already knows, so it is very unlikely.
I am a Korean user who plays War Thunder. First of all, Korean users and users from other countries also seem to have very high interest and expectations for the Korea tree. So it seems that the Gaijin staff are delaying the Korea tree a lot to meet those expectations. I hope that it will be updated safely and safely as soon as possible. Both Korean and other users will want it. I will be satisfied even if a tree like Israel comes out.😑😑😑
I don’t understand because of the translation. So the subtree for Japan is not the Korean tree, right? This is a story about Korea Tree coming out alone, right?
Japan is planned to get a subtree that is not Korea, but other countries more friendly with Japan. When that subtree is added, people have no more reason to suggest Korea for Japan. I prefer Korea as an independent tree with South Korea and North Korea combined.