South Korean Ground Forces Tech Tree

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If by starting with Japanese vehicles, you mean like grinding Israel where you need to start with US or UK vehicles to start the TT then that wouldn’t sit over well with the community. Israel is incredibly unpopular because it has a bunch of padding to try and get it’s numbers up to somewhat similar levels of other TTs. Low player counts lead to low investment from Gaijin which means just cpp to fill the ranks with ROKM M48 variants (see Magachs).

If you are talking about a UNK TT where the first 3 ranks are filled out with Japanese equipment from WW2 then you run into the China TT problem where no one wants to grind out the same vehicles they grinded before and especially not Japanese low ranks. This equals low player numbers and a repeat above. Most players who don’t care about the nuances of east asian politics will just think that if they are already grinding low tier Japanese vehicles to play the TT then why not just add it as a Japan sub-tree.

Also the biggest problem with a UNK TT is the air tree which NK planes are at best soviet planes with maybe a domestic bomb and the SK side is mostly US vehicles that have anywhere from minor cosmetic changes to some decent weapons changes, but barely single digit fully domestic designs.

[Urip]

is this a joke? 6 vehicles to reach top tier?

[MoZi3]

@Richardguy

other than political sensitivities

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[Neobushido]

Should be combined with NK or made a subtree for Japan imo

[Flyexz]

I feel like south korea should be combined with turkey with how their vehicles feel like sidegrades to each other like altay being a manually loaded heavier vehicle and k2 being a autoloaded lighter mbt

[GildyMenn21]

About the T-33A.

I couldn’t find any serial numbers in the source you provided so i have searched around to find an transfer of T-33As in 1967. As an result of my search i havent found anything about an transfer of 12+ T-33A in 1967 to South Korea, however i did stumble upon 4 RoKAF T-33As which were previously owned by the JASDF but these 4 aircraft were first returned to the US and the US gave it to RoKAF. So we got an somewhat similar story as the S-2A.

I’ll continue on searching but if no further information can be found then i’ll comment that, case you find the serial number let me know.

Here are my sources :

Spottingmode.com - Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star

https://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1954.html

Forgotten Jets (& Props) - A Warbirds Resource Group Site

Serial number :

Reg. 51-5640 JASDF - Reg. 54-1552 US(AF)

Reg. 51-5641 JASDF - Reg. 54-1554 US(AF)

Reg. 51-5693 JASDF - Reg. 51-1593 US(AF)

Reg. 51-5696 JASDF - Reg. 51-1596 US(AF)

• If you are talking about a UNK TT where the first 3 ranks are filled out with Japanese equipment from WW2 then you run into the China TT problem where no one wants to grind out the same vehicles they grinded before and especially not Japanese low ranks. This equals low player numbers and a repeat above. Most players who don’t care about the nuances of east asian politics will just think that if they are already grinding low tier Japanese vehicles to play the TT then why not just add it as a Japan sub-tree.

The Ground Tree doesn’t consist of any Japanese vehicles for now because there isn’t much detail on what type of tanks the USSR gave to North Korea. However the Air Tree does consist of some Japanese Aircraft which was operated by North Korea mainly.

So if you want Korea per se in the Japanese Tree you essentially asking for North Korea which received the most amount of captured Japanese weapons from China and USSR.

But again (imho) captured weapons should not be a justification even if Koreans used it in WW2 it was in possession of the IJA and after WW2 it was in possession (confiscated/captured) of the US and USSR which eventually gave it to both Korea’s.

• Also the biggest problem with a UNK TT is the air tree which NK planes are at best soviet planes with maybe a domestic bomb and the SK side is mostly US vehicles that have anywhere from minor cosmetic changes to some decent weapons changes, but barely single digit fully domestic designs.

The majority of the Air Tree are foreign aircraft but they have at least undergone extensive modifications (airframe upgrade, diff. weapons, CMD upgrade, diff. Engine, weapon system upgrade or diff. Radar) making them performance wise different from the original aircraft, some good example are the Shenyang F5, MiG-21Bis/PFM, F-4E and F-15K.

The United Korean Air Tree (Israeli style) would have a total of 57 aircraft (including premium). 40-45% of these are Copy n Paste and 55-60% are unique or uniquely modified, an full air tree would have 70+ aircraft and would have the same percentage as above but the lower tiers are lacking a bit. So i would agree that the Air Tree isn’t that impressive.

However the United Korean Tree is being looked at for their Ground vehicles which most players are interested in, the United Korean Tree (Israeli style) would bring 72+ vehicles with 75% of it being interesting and unique (including uniquely modified) stuff. A full ground tree would have 90+ vehicles with it still remaining 75% but rank I lacks a bit.

[_Fleks]

T-62 (Looks like Israeli) in service with South Korea

[굴러온]

It’s Tiran 6 yes. Few were imported to South Korea with captured T-72M1 from Israel.

[David_Bowie]

@굴러온

T-72M1 from Israel

T-72s in the ROK Army Armor School are from Czechoslovakia, not Israel, Israel only gave the Tiran-6.

[_Fleks]

Main shells of late K1 and serial K2:

[S-H-E-R-R-Y]

Japan sub tree is best way i feel

[GildyMenn21]

France and Israel got more claim on South Korea then Japan, so if some want South Korea now then Israel is an logical place (not much vehicles).

However an Unified Korean Tree is more enjoyable.

[Florus]

If by best way you mean literally worst way, then you’d be correct.

[AquaUselessGod]

[POLL] Thoughts and Opinions on South Korea and Thailand allocation

This is just a generic poll to look at overall community stand. poll poll Edit: Lol this post got hidden because flag system is truly a useful system

[breezygamer117]

I’d like to see these vehicles, but I feel that it should be a Japanese Subtree, with less of the exported stuff (like the M56). Part of the reason Israel got it’s own tree is because it has french, american, soviet, and british vehicles, making it hard to fit into another nations. However, I think it would do well in Japan, because as of now there isn’t many vehicles that can be added to the Japanese tree, and adding these could help that. Same reason why they added the finnish tree, as Sweden was running out of addable vehicles.
Lastly, the air tree would be completely copy-paste of US vehicles besides the KAI T-50 (and I guess the KA-27), making it a quite boring tree with a SINGLE unique aircraft. In contrast stuff like the finnish tree and israeli tree have some more “unique” or at least interesting modifications.

[GildyMenn21]

• I’d like to see these vehicles, but I feel that it should be a Japanese Subtree, with less of the exported stuff (like the M56).

Wouldn’t make sense in Japan. It would make more sense in France, Israel or an United Korean Tree.

• Part of the reason Israel got it’s own tree is because it has french, american, soviet, and british vehicles, making it hard to fit into another nations.

I doubt that’s the reason Israel got it own tree. Finland, South Africa and Hungary consist of many foreign vehicles from different nations yet they don’t have their own tree.

• However, I think it would do well in Japan, because as of now there isn’t many vehicles that can be added to the Japanese tree, and adding these could help that. Same reason why they added the finnish tree, as Sweden was running out of addable vehicles.

Sweden at least received a nation which it has an military connection to and joint developed some vehicles with.

However according to you an lack of vehicles justifies adding an random country to Japan which it has no connection to? If that’s the case why ask for South Korea, when you can ask for any other random country and avoid an outrage?

• Lastly, the air tree would be completely copy-paste of US vehicles besides the KAI T-50 (and I guess the KA-27), making it a quite boring tree with a SINGLE unique aircraft. In contrast stuff like the finnish tree and israeli tree have some more “unique” or at least interesting modifications.

South Korea has exactly done the same thing what Israel did……They extensively modified some aircraft making them Unique just like some Israel aircraft and also to clarify “uniquely modified” in my book are aircraft that aren’t identical to it’s original design after their upgrade (airframe upgrades, diff. weapons, CMD upgrades, diff. Engine, weapon system upgrades or diff. Radar).

Here is an link of the United Korea Aviation Tree which provide you with some details on the modification done by South Korea :

United Korean Aviation Tech Tree

poll 1. Background of the proposal A. The potential of a standalone tree [image] The United Korean Ground Forces Tech Tree suggestion has been passed to the devs. [image] In the Old forum, original suggestion has gained significant consent from the community. https://youtu.be/2GPyb0U-29c [image] From ‘Answering Your Questions’ in the WT Official channel, BVV_d mentioned in the affirmative a possibility of Korea being a new nation. This suggestion, along with the United Korean Ground For…

[Mahiwew]

You seem to be about as adamant for an independent Korean tree as I am for V4, Switzerland and Yugoslavia.
Respect xd

[Thug Shaker Actual]

Except the US fought an entire war for SK, upholds the DMZ with SK, and is its largest strategic ally, did you forget about that?

[Billygoatunicorn]

Yes as a subtree of japan. It’s politically tenuous, but is putting modern day India, South Africa, and Canadian vehicles under the UK TT any less so?

[NotKringe]

Well, imo, given that the Thai sub-tree for Japan were passed to devs and that Thai playerbase has no problem with it (cuz they have significant political and historical connections to back it up), I think the Korean tree could stand on its own.