SA Mirages could be nice gap fillers for the British tree as well
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Mirage F.1 AZ (as asked in the Openning Post):
Avionics:
RADAR EMD Aïda 2 (EMD stands for “Electronique Marcel Dassault” - name of the company that ended absorbed by now “Thales”) [ONLY AIR TO GROUND - NO AIR-AIR MODES : Basic GMTI ]
Laser Telemeter in the nose
CCRP
VTAS or HMS “Kentron” (developped for V3 kukri missiles) -
2x30mm DEFA 553 (125rpg)
Chaffs/Flares (initial amount, alike the Mirage F.1C without additional pods - i didn’t found additionnal pods, maybe there is some)
AA missiles (only on wing-tips):
initial:
2x R.550 Magic-1 [35G rear-aspect - capacity that remainned despite the integration of V3A to factory parameters]
2x V3A Kukri [30G rear-aspect, with some light modifications but very close to R.550-1]
late:
2x V3B Kukri [35G rear-aspect(wide aspect but not full aspect), developped from V3A]
Rockets:
initial:
SNEB 68mm (Pod Matra Type 155)
late:
FZ 70mm (FFAR, under Belgian production license)
Bombs (all initial):
Mk.82 / Mk.83 / Mk.84
(Cluster and Anti-Runway also possible)
Guided AGM:
initial:
2x AS-30L
late:
2x Raptor 1 glide bomb (also called “H2”) [MCLOS + Passive TV seeker in terminal phase (some also recieved MMW ARH or IR secondary seeker - still need some search on those)]
2x Raptor 2 glide bomb (also called “H4”) [upgraded Raptor 1: add-on of GPS IOG (MCLOS remainning possible) and a rocket engine - similar to AASM Hammer somehow]
some ARM have been developped by “Kentron” company, but nothing proved any use on F.1AZ
Pods:
Altis (for AS-30L / H2 / H4 designation - central pod)
Fuel tanks as per F.1C
So,… for in-game integration:
Initial → 11.7 Air modes (VTAS+R.550-1) / 11.7 Ground modes (AS.30L)
Late → 12.0 Air modes (VTAS + V3B) / 12.3 Ground modes (Raptor 1/2 glide bombs)
(despite the lower amount of flares/chaffs)
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Yup, would be pretty cool! There’s also the Mirages 3
You are incorrect the mirage f1 az was a ground attack variant and also a air and a interceptor and in that period denel was working on a better radar and air missiles that they could manufacture themself and to this day there are mirage f1s with glass cockpits and new radars flying in usa as red squadron for training
Mirage F.1 AZ is a GROUND ATTACK
Mirage F.1 CZ is an INTERCEPTOR
Both are same skin but different avionics but used by South african air forces, before the weapon embargo.
you’re wrong if you think you’re right,… i know Mirage F.1’s
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Did you look on the WT Live site to see if someone has made a skin for it?
was primarily a ground attack (or strike) fighter, a specialized variant for the South African Air Force (SAAF) optimized for attacking ground targets, although it retained some air-to-air capability Was a interceptor aswell and if you think you are right you are way wrong because i currently work on mirage f1s
It would be a good idea to give the source of that quote… because at the moment it’s worth as much as my grades in philosophy tests
Search it on google and it will give the exact
That’s not how it works bud. You claim something, you give the source. As far as I know, your source could be google overview or wikipedia or chatgpt
You want the maintenance manual ?
Well sure if it’s declassified. But if that’s what you’re asking, none of the 3 things I mentioned before are worth anything here
yes retainning Air-Air capability was about retainning R.550 Magic-1 ability, for self-defence.
not retainning any R.530 neither Super R.530F missiles which are the radar missiles.
the Mirage F.1 AZ is SPECIALIZED, as you said yourself, as such the aircraft are actually made for that ROLE.
the Mirage F.1AZ doesn’t have Cyrano IV radar - but an EMD AÏDA-2 Radar which is unable to guide R.530 or Super 530F (and thus the Mirage F.1 AZ never got wired for such missiles)
meanwhile the Mirage F.1 CZ is retainning the full A-A weaponnary that Mirage F.1C or E or EQ have, making them primarly Interceptor specialized within the SAAF,…
you may work on Mirage F.1’s, but this is like me saying that i worked on Rafale,… it have nothing to do with the question.
and i would gladly know which ones,… there is still a lot in the world, with significant upgrades made depending on countries budgets and will, aswell as private companies Mirage F.1’s.
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You are correct with ground role of the AZ BUT THE AZ was also used as a interceptor aswell not only the cz thats why they started with 216 the super mirage and 233 with radar capabilities to upgrade the f1 az
Like i said would just be nice evan if they only added the south african variant or evan just the cosmetics of the az because i am on xbox and not on pc so cant do skins and cant use the south african insignias
can you be more specific with your radar designations?
because from all the websites i’ve checked for my previous posts, there is none quoting any radar upgrades allowing the EMD-AÏda 2 (which never got replaced) to be guiding radar missiles,… neither allowing interception.
only things they’ve added were HMS and V3A/B/C IR missiles to Mirage F.1 fleet (both AZ/CZ), and the integration of newer A2G weapons.
fact that you want a SAAF skinned Mirage F.1 is not a problem for me,… but what you think of those is erroneous.
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if you want another look at the EMD AÏDA 2 radar, it seemed to be in game already - Mirage Milan is equipped with it.
it’s is only a Gun ranging radar (similar to the one on-board Etendard IVM,… that i know of because i did the bugreport allowing it’s implementation,…)
Not in service, but U-Darters too, but just for tests or/and very limited use before the Cheetah C was fully introduced
(Not 100% sure if the latter is a U-Darter)
Also not in service, but South Africa also planned on using R-73’s (planned to be designated V3P), but ended up not buying them. These were not only fitted on the one off Super Mirage F1, but also on some Mirage F1CZ’s, mainly for testing but also had some base flights iirc
I don’t remember seeing anything regarding radar upgrades either since the first day I started to look at South African stuff with their F1s. The CZ should still have the same radar as it had since delivery, meanwhile the AZ just had a ranging radar, which cannot be used for radar locking, yea
The AZ is not an interceptor, its main purpose of the variant was literally to be used for ground attacks, with the other missiles just being there for defense
I mean, the A literally means for attacker if I’m not mistaken
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didn’t knew about U-darters,… but to be honest,… V3C is already better than R.550 Magic-2,… so it’s not truly needed ^^"
(ain’t U-darters only on CZ ones?)
(typically: South african mirage f1 az - #7 by Cpt_Bel_V )