I think they wanted to add a better missile to the worst performing jets in RB, but didnt wanna fix the AIM-120A/B because thatd improve a bunch of other jets at various BRs
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Because it doesn’t matter? Because F-18 is probably the only plane currently that probably needs it the most?
Unlike the F-15E/I
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Wasn’t it reclassed to TD from SPAA just to nerf the SP cost because it was so good back then?
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M-247 was OP when it came out, now it’s a very mediocre anti-aircraft gun.
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Mediocore? You’re not ragebaiting right? Despite it being one of the best Gun SPAA around?
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Mig27K’s were orbital doming ADATS as far back as Dec 2021 lol
It was a great SPAA but then its BR was raised, the amount of fragments and the blast radius were reduced. Now it is just a SAM that can shoot at 3 km.
Careful, you’ll have all the US mains crying that the F-15E/I is terrible because they cannot roleplay the (obviously fake and inflated) 104-0 KDR.
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They also nerfed the missiles and radar before giving it the SPAA classification. Oh, and the British one didn’t even have camouflage on it for the longest time either, meaning if you wanted winter camouflage, you couldn’t get it on the ADATS (until recently, and you don’t automatically unlock it if you had the amount needed, you had to start from scratch)
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the guy just likes ragebaiting.
We all know the F-15’s KDR is inflated, but how is it fake? When was an F-15 shot down in combat?
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You guys are so reactionary lmao, as of no in the dev server aim120c5 is as gimped as any other fox 3 ingame, which btw is also a thing for aim120a/b with their poor maneuverability, if the c5 comes to the game modelled properly pl12 and micas will likely be buffed to compete, but that is to be seen.
As far as r77s, as far as ive seen from the bugreports and r77s thread the evidence of them being drastically underperfoming is pretty rickety.
Base model r77s were draggy irl that was one of the main thing they tried to fix the most with the -1 that went into service.
The -1 ingame matches the amraam in range despite being fired from a very slow platform. When su30sm2 or su35s comes ingame it will be more than capable of holding up in bvr. If not excell.
Theyre already able to hit 25km targets in a headon despite being fired barely breaking mach ive had it happen multiple times. On a proper platform at proper heights it will be able to nail 40km shots easily if not defended properly
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People complained about kh38 with such vitriol they had to lock the thread lol
I’m not sure that supports the position of people ignoring “a certain a2g missile russia has”.
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77s introduced high drag at transonic speeds on account of the lattice fins. At subsonic and supersonic speeds, the drag should not be as high as it is presently. The missile at present appears to adopt the drag values for transonic flow rates for the entire speed envelope. This is not “the missile is just draggy”, it is an inaccuracy in the model. The missile does have higher drag than others, but the extent it is represented currently is quite dubious.
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That is way too much of a simplification. It has been discussed to death on the r77 thread but youre not completely wrong but not necessarily right either. And as far as the game coae its not hugely relevant either .
Ive seen ADA416637 used to support that and i feel thats extremely reductive and a bit disengenuos.
Hardly vitriolic. The thread was locked because a bunch of “random” people brigaded the thread fishing for reason to close it down, reading the last 30/40 makes it pretty obvious
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I think a lot of ppl that have been saying the R-77s are underperforming are just parroting what some ppl of dubious credibility have been spoutting with little to no evidence tbh.
iirc, R-77’s have been given the same drag profile as planar fined missiles, but with increased drag attributed to lattice fins.
They are likely overperforming at low-mid speed launch conditions which are typically seen in-game, while they might be underperforming at very high alt/speeds which are rarely seen in-game. They might be underperforming in energy retention in high AOA pull as well, but realistically, theyre likely better for in-game conditions as currently modelled.
I dont think ive yet seen any actual sources proving the missile to be underperforming, just anecdotal inferences from pro-russian players that believe the lattice fin design to be the greatest aerodynamuc marvel to have ever graced AAMs (weird how theyve only ever been used on the R-77 series of AAMs and not one other country has thought it was a good idea to replicate if thats the case…)
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It’s real lol, stay mad
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1 F-15 damaged. It probably never flew again but with F-15’s durability wouldn’t be surprised