Since Fakour-90 got so much better with the 5G buff in manoeuvrability , give AiM-9M and improve AiM54C (24G dual plane maneuvering) for the F-14B and put it at 13.3

fakour got a buff in the dev server, not yet on the live server

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Is it not simpler to just move the IRIAF F-14A to 12.7?

missed that, my bad.

5G buff is a net neutral maneuverability with AIM-54C as the Fakour-90 accelerates faster.
So what happens? Fakour-90 becomes on-par with AIM-54C in maneuverability while being faster to speed.

As for your suggestion… F-14D can fill that role.
F-14A we have is an Early and should retain its AIM-9Hs as its current historical loadout.
They can have F-14B retain 9Ls, and/or add a late F-14A for 9Ls.

There are 2 11.3s that should be 11.0, and further decompression can occur.

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A friend I play a lot with and I got into this argument, 9Ms would benefit the tomcat greatly since it’s a competitive airframe with good electronics and lots of CMs.

Phoenix buffs would also be nice, 13.0 for tomcat would be good with those 2 buffs.

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F-14A Early in 1977 before produced AIM-9L 2 years. so not received AIM-9L and not change BR

But F-14A (1995) upgrade bombcat and located group before F-14B, similar to F-14B and BR 12.7

Change IR SRAAM stock 2x AIM-9L replace with AIM-9M and 4x AIM-9M & AIM-9M-8 instead AIM-9L on F-14B

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Ey.
I think I’m understanding your posts more and more.

F-14A should be 12.3.
F-14A Iran should be 12.7 with decompression.
All 12.7 up move up by 0.3.
Other 12.3s move to 12.7 such as EJ Kai and Mirage 2000.

Even on Early model, they can add AIM-9Ls because Navy tested it at China Lake with F-14A in 1977, that is literally same year with SAC.

100% Couldn’t have said it better myself

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Nah. Just make the Iranian f-14 12.7 and that’ll be the end of it. Overall, it’s more lethal in a head-on(r27R) and BVR(Fakour) but far less problematic rear aspect, low speed, rate fights, and especially survivability compared to the F-14B IMO

F-14D fits what you want at a higher BR

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Simpler yes, but imho this change would make the F-14B a lot more interesting. Also This whole thing would prevent F-14s from fighting 11.3s

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But since we have no F-14D and are not sure if when it may come if it comes, F14B could assume this role, even buffing the phoenix to 20G would be nice or AIM-9M, both if you would want the aircraft to go to 13.3.

Tomcat would greatly benefit from at least a phoenix buff, Fakour being buff imho is a none sense

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That’s not how game development works.
F-14B is already fine without that weapon, and you forge that F-15A is 13.0 currently.
And Mig-29SMT along with F-4F ICE are 13.3 with better loadouts than just adding 9Ms to F-14B.

9Ms and improved AiM-54C. Also both F4F ICE and for the most part the MiG-29SMT flight performance is worse compared to the F-14B. Also MiG-29SMT is the best 13.3 and could probably be 13.7.

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For BVR, SMT and F-4F ICE are tied, and ahead of F-14B because of AMRAAMs.
And for top speed, F-4F ICE and F-14B are tied, the F-14B just gets there a bit faster.

It’s not who fires first that wins, it’s who fires last. And right now, F-14s are firing first, and no amount of AIM-54C alleged maneuverability fixes will change the fact it’s slower to accelerate and far easier to defeat than AMRAAMs.

Mig-29SMT cannot be 13.7, it is inferior to F-16C in all manners and the fact they were ever the same BR is largely an insult.
F-16C’s equivalent Mig-29 is likely the 29K.
And Mig-29M/35 are the F-15C equivalents.

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Do I have to say it?

Dual plane would be very confusing to code because of gaijin spaghetti code, it would also be very problematic because you have to give it to all missiles that have it. Now you could be out pulling a missile and than randomly it snaps from 30-42Gs and you’re dead. This messes up everything related to kinematically dodging missiles and opens up a whole new Pandora’s box (consistent 50G magic 2)

I wouldn’t be surprised if the engine upgrade Gaijin is cooking involves a lot of future-proofing.

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Hopefully with mountains that aren’t just triangles with textures on them

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Unless we get a FM buff for the SMT specifically, which may happens if we get sources that go that way. It will never be competitive against other top tiers.

MiG-29M or MiG-29K 9-41 might fix those issues.

As for now, the F14B has better FM and flight characteristics than the F4, tornado or even the SMT.

It could be America 13.3, with a loadout that could offer diversity at those BR.

With the fakour buff, the B is just the better version with worse missiles (except the 9L)

That’s not really how dual plane works, the missile doesn’t just “snap”. Roll rate isn’t instantaneous and on the contrary missiles will constantly adjust to use dual plane.

We already have 50G missiles in the game, and in general after ~35G thrust vectoring and fin AoA are more relevant than extra G’s themselves. Would also be completely fine with me to have a stronger magic-2