and fix all the issues regarding its FM, DM, and engine heat. (Read: all really fat nerfs in these departments)
Without flares, its engine heat can stay the same (and when I say stay the same, I mean continue to be calculated like every other plane). The only way to nerf its airframe in a realistic way would require nerfing every jet in warthunder cause the all overperform in the same ways.
Either way, F-5C as is, but with no flares or missiles, would be balanced at 10.0.
No, its massively overperforming and is cooler than the F-117.
It currently overperforms in energy retention and damage model. This is not related to anything war thunder does for gameplay reasons.
No.
The F-117 is as hot, without afterburners, as an after burning jet. Not really a great comparison.
Actually it is. Warthunder has a very basic flight simulation where changing one value effects multiple aspects of flight performance. This means that lowering it’s energy retention would also harm its turnrate, so Gajin has to choose which irl value they want to go with.
It’s better that the F-5C has a realistic turn rate but unrealistic energy retention, than the other way around.
We also saw this with the F-104 nerf, where they increased the drag from the wings to an absolutely absurd amount (literally making them the least efficient wings ever created) so that the F-104’s max G pull would reflect irl documentation.
Counter argument. Yes
The F-117, literally, is the only jet in game designed to have IR shielding. Do you think IR stealth is literally just what temperature the engines run at? Do you think that’s even how this game determines that?
Nah, it’s currently one of the most annoying jets to fight in the game due to all the combined factors.
My opinion on the matter.
First, fix the FM.
Second, take the flares out.
Now you can pick either stay with 9E and play 9,7 (because it won’t be for more), or reduce it to 9B and get it 9,3 .Same with the event US F-5A.
F-5A was practically hard equivalent to MiG 19s and in the game because of the buffs we talk about it like it’s a superplane.
Now, imagine this.
With the addition of a premium NF-5A … do you know what a NF-5A is?
It’s an F-5A with better avionics, leading edge slats and better engines…
So , is it a 10,7 like the other F-5As (except the one 5A(G) with 9Ls which is 11.0 because of the missiles) ?
I don’t think gaijin will hit one of the most popular and profitable premium planes with a (historical) nerf hammer like deleting the F-5C’s flares, overperforming FM, fake engine heat signature and upgraded sidewinders all at once.
More than likely they’ll leave it alone or buff the plane.
Ir missiles can lock the F-117 from further than most planes.
Not really. F-5s are actually really easy to fight from my experience.
no, dont touch F5C.
I mean that would be a buff more than anything 9e is literraly an uncaged 9b
its better for f5c to have aim9e and stay at 10.7 than get 9j which will be every bit as useless and go to 11.0 and be outmatched
This is true, but doesnt the japanese f5 gets 9j at the same br ? Plus those missiles arent that op still one pop flares afaik, considering were facing a bunch of “high” over 10g missiles
they arent op at all, they are as useless as 9e
that 10g doesnt change anything
Trust me those 10g make a big change
it doesnt, I have many F5’s and even the 9L sucks on it.
F5 is not a plane for missiles
9j is a huge upgrade over 9e, it would be much more beneficial. And also, f5e fcu is also very potent with its missile kit
pull doesnt matter if the missile doesnt have IRCCM
if you can kill your enemy with sidewinder without IRCCM you dont need any extra pull than 10G because they MUST be unaware.
not if you are fighting against flareless planes
if f5c would get aim9j it would no longer have the chance to fight flareless planes
9e is more like a 9j, pretty sure they have the same motor, just different fins and seekerhead