Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

Well, more specifically, it should be the moment arm, which combined with the force from the fins creates the torque that is pitch authority. We arent 100% sure what the value they use represents though. For some missiles it seems like they are using an approximate distance in meters from an action point on the fins to the axis of rotation (erroneous if thats what they’re doing) but it doesnt hold up on other missiles.

That being said, yeah, dropping the distFromCmToStab value reduces the fins control authority.

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What’s the next Gen Rus IR? I fell off keeping up with that paper bear. But I do agree, overall. Especially with English and French IRs. Also unsure of what comes after the AAM3, but I assume japan has/will have bumped those quite a bit in the last decade-ish

R74M at least, tho they can get R-74M2 if Gaijin skips first versions of next gen ir missiles.

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AAM5, basically Japan equivalent of IRIS-T/PL-10 more or less.

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Also want to add that the world is asymmetrical so I definitely don’t mind if the game is also asymmetrical to reflect that regarding “power creep.” It’s already obvious in late Cold War BRs where you can tell Warsaw Pact had defensive interceptors and reliant on ground radars as well as having a heavy program for SAMs vs the US being so Air dominant and offensive focused.

I’d be completely fine if they added accurate missiles (among other stuff like FMs and Radars) even if some countries underperform because that’s accurate and people shouldn’t expect Thailand to compete with something like France or Sweden.

So basically what I’m hearing is the equivalents already exist for every nation, they just need to model performance for them and give them to us. If they say “maps and game modes aren’t ready for those” I don’t wanna hear it. Not my problem lol

Yeah but the issue is that currently while balance is completely broken it’s somewhat playable

Most people in arb are really bad and don’t even average 1kill/battle giving more potent missile may be a bigger issue.

PL-12 nerf is not deserved but at the same time you have airframes like the Su-30MKK ruining a BR completely…

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yup, and the su-30mkk can run r-77s/r-27ers anyways over pl-12 should they choose to.

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Welcome to the club chinese mains. Looks like R-77-1 continues to be king.

really funny video about (potential J-15T?) plane from a exhibition. There is second video in the playllist 2 the right btw just not as relevant.

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hud is in english and not chinese? Maybe this is export only?
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Was there a report prior to this PL-12 change? Or they just went and did it regardless?

No, as usual Gaijin doing baseless changes

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it possible that they use english huds even in chinese service

i heard that they use english for their callouts and stuff for a2a, because manderin isnt too great for it

and to make things simpler i wouldnt be suprised if the hud is in english too
(at least for me it would be pretty akward to constantly switch languages)

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THing is, if measured in meters, an inch from the stab will be ridiculous for a missile’s mass distribution.

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I mean, yeah… thats why I said if the value in the code is represented in meters, its erroneous…?

So basically Michael and Adder reign supreme, maybe June turns the table around (cope)

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It isnt in meters its an abittary number with no value afaik, as most missile have it set to like 0.125-0.175, they just fumble with the valued until they get the results they want

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Thats the other possibility, but regardless of what the number represents exactly, they seem to be a little all over the place with it.

For example (missile length / distFromCmToStab value):
AIM-120 variants: 3.66m / 0.175
R-77: 3.6m / 0.175
R-77-1: 3.71m / 0.175
MICA: 3.1m / 0.175
PL-12 variants: 3.93m / 0.12
AAM-4: 3.667m / 0.25

Imo, a valid assumption would be that a longer missile should usually have a larger distFromCmToStab value (assuming similar form factor and weight distribution, which is why i picked the missiles above), because regardless of if the value is in meters, or unitless, the physical distance from the control surfaces should increase with an increasing missile length, but its not the case as seen above.

  • AAM-4 has a value almost 50% larger than that of AIM-120/R-77 despite having almost the exact same size
  • PL-12’s have the smallest value despite being the longest missiles
  • MICA shares a value along with most of the other missiles despite being the shortest by half a meter

Toss in other missiles and it gets even weirder:
AIM-54 variants: 3.96m / 0.05
Fakour 90: 4.25m / 0.35

AGM-144 variants: 1.63m / 0.01
Brimstone: 1.803m / 0.075

  • F90 gets 7x the value AIM-54’s gets despite similar form factor
  • Brimstone gets 7.5x the value used on AGM-114’s despite similar form factor

I just can’t figure out how they choose their numbers…

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They select them and adjust them until the missile has the Performance they want to have

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