PL12A lacks motor mass report
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jZmIiDpNhRB6
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that report will be rejected
probably, they have implemented calculation reports in the past, like this Rafale empty mass report, we’ll see what sticks
Interesting report, lots of hype came surrounding it so will be interesting to see what happens to the report.
not a bug 😭
Not sure how to feel about the 15T, like objectively it’s still really strong but I’m still really feeling they’re deliberately making up worse stats for things like the RWR the engine and the missile
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Not the truth. In reality, all we’ve ever seen are basic PL-12s. We haven’t even witnessed a single live round of the PL-12A(E), only mock-ups and blue training rounds.
we’ve been saying this for a long time with regards to slam and slam-er, hasnt done much
In fact we don’t even know what is a PL-12A and what is not.
(Mainly cause the Pl-12A doesnt exist)
Actually, I’m not quite sure why a PL-12AE suddenly appeared when the PL-15E already has a successful export record, and it’s intended for UAV integration.
The PL-12A does exist and its data matches that of the PL-12AE, but apparently the PLAAF hasn’t procured many of them.
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Well there are large differences at least in terms of appearance of earlier PL-12A models, which are more akin to standard PL-12, and latter PL-12AE. PL-12A still had those large windows for proxy fuse, whilst latter ones don’t much like the PL-15, which is a source of argument for motor improvement.
There is one piece of evidence of the Pl-12A´s existence that i know of, which would be a museums exhibitions piece (a seeker cone), other than that ive yet to see other proof of its existence
That’s impossible, because the PL-12A’s extended range was achieved precisely by shortening the proximity fuze section. Besides, the paper I posted was published in 2012, early enough to be relevant.
Given how China likes to keep its weaponry secret, it’s understandable. We only have hearsay about the capabilities or even the existence of the PL12A. Who knows, maybe it was the initial name of the improvement program, and now they just call it PL12 (late). But I’d be surprised if the PL12A didn’t exist, especially since it would help aircraft incapable of carrying the PL15, like the JH-7A, JL-10, and other attack aircraft. But that’s just speculation on my part
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Well, given the existence of oddly designated models like the ZTZ-99AE(==VT-4), the PL-12AE must have a domestic counterpart without the “E” suffix—otherwise, there would be no reason to add an “A” and they could have simply called it the PL-12E.
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btw could you provide the full document?
where tf did you get ZTZ-99AE being the VT-4 from also the HQ-16FE exists with there being no HQ-16F. To add to that the ZTZ specifically signifies PLAGF usage while VT signifies export.
What difference is there with the PL-12A if it has the same motor in game? Since i assume it still has the same copy paste seeker like all other fox-3s including the normal PL-12
15E(VT-5) and 99AE(VT-4).
Given the highly secretive nature of the PLA, certain equipment can only be confirmed to exist, not proven not to exist. You can never really know if something genuinely doesn’t exist or if it simply hasn’t been publicly disclosed yet.
This is the master’s thesis that was brought up during the discussion on the PL-8B. Its section on “achievements made so far,” describes the range improvement of the PL-12A and the propulsion characteristics of the PL-10.
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