Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

90s AL-41 is another different engine. current new AL-41 is based on AL-31, develop started in late 90s and came out after 2000s. Later version WS-10 is comparable.
I guess you mix AL-41 up with AL-51.
As for WS-15, its design changed a lot because of new requirements so it’s hard to say.

all j-11b does is add internal ecm ( i think) redesigned wing tips for pl8 capability, rear maws and new radar and composite materials to shave like 700ish kg

no i was talking about al-41f, it was built in the 90s with variable bypass. al-41f1 and al-41f1s was built in the 2000s and are low bypass only

could the china tree receive the su30 before the j15 and j16, and what br would it be.

su-30mkk and mk2 with pl-12, rvv-sd/ae, r73 and pl8 and a bunch of ground ordinance at 13.7. worse su27sm due to weight and worse engines.
su30mkk with n001ve and su30mk2 with n001vep, same as su27sm

so just a heavy su30 with no double pylons pl12/r77 and only kh29 ?

since it wont get cruise missiles… yeah. although it is compatible with kh38 though so they might add it just based off compatibility. no guarantees tho

they might skip it and just add the china built flanker, i think is the j15, since i heard that the j16 is based on the su35 i think

j-16 is based off j-11bs (twin seat j-11b) , j-15 is based of su-33

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oh okay nice to know, have any j15 or j16 carried double pl12 pylon found in the j10

J15 is my most wanted one as its probably one of the best flankers

nope

stuck with 48 cms, not gonna be good

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Itll be better then Su30sm FM wise

no but capable.
a recent CCTV program’s cg shows a J-16 with double pylon

Depends on the J-11B, the earliest batch productions have quite a lot in common. Have you not seen the development of the J-7 over time? It is far better documented to say the least but the same process went on.

This is not a lunatic statement, it is truth… odd that you’d get so aggressive over it.

common?I can only think of j11b used 31F(when ws10 was not yet produced)

No.

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The J-11B retained the analog fly-by-wire flight control system from the Su-27SK, while the J-11BS introduced a new digital system.

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does the J11B use composites like the J15 ?