Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

it keeps pretty much the bare minimum only

I don’t think that was true, much like the J-20 the blocks have been made in batches with each iteration showing major improvements over time.

The real world J-11 / J-11B are distinct in that the J-11 was an assembled Russian kit with modifications and the J-11B was entire airframes indigenously produced with the batch improvements refining the design over time.

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Yeah because the Type 1493 is only a minor improvement over the original N001E, right? The addition of MAWS and other ‘minor’ things, its only a rebranded SU-27SK!!!

Genuine Russian propagandist delusion, can you leave this topic already?

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I never said it was a rebranded Su-27SK, that would be the earliest J-11’s which were just built from the Soviet kits. Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth?

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90s AL-41 is another different engine. current new AL-41 is based on AL-31, develop started in late 90s and came out after 2000s. Later version WS-10 is comparable.
I guess you mix AL-41 up with AL-51.
As for WS-15, its design changed a lot because of new requirements so it’s hard to say.

all j-11b does is add internal ecm ( i think) redesigned wing tips for pl8 capability, rear maws and new radar and composite materials to shave like 700ish kg

no i was talking about al-41f, it was built in the 90s with variable bypass. al-41f1 and al-41f1s was built in the 2000s and are low bypass only

could the china tree receive the su30 before the j15 and j16, and what br would it be.

su-30mkk and mk2 with pl-12, rvv-sd/ae, r73 and pl8 and a bunch of ground ordinance at 13.7. worse su27sm due to weight and worse engines.
su30mkk with n001ve and su30mk2 with n001vep, same as su27sm

so just a heavy su30 with no double pylons pl12/r77 and only kh29 ?

since it wont get cruise missiles… yeah. although it is compatible with kh38 though so they might add it just based off compatibility. no guarantees tho

they might skip it and just add the china built flanker, i think is the j15, since i heard that the j16 is based on the su35 i think

j-16 is based off j-11bs (twin seat j-11b) , j-15 is based of su-33

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oh okay nice to know, have any j15 or j16 carried double pl12 pylon found in the j10

J15 is my most wanted one as its probably one of the best flankers

nope

stuck with 48 cms, not gonna be good

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Itll be better then Su30sm FM wise

no but capable.
a recent CCTV program’s cg shows a J-16 with double pylon