Well, what ranges do these things have? No more than 350km, which to me seems like not a great improvement on PL15 a missile from a decade ago.(Yep 2015 is now officially 10 years ago.) Plus PL15 with underestimation based off PL15 E is 200, could well have been beyond that estimations go as far as 180miles, as we can’t rule out things like dual pulse rocket. That will make them very much competitors, we can ignore Meteor since that can’t atm be carried by 5th gen (or as far as I am aware of).
Theoretical max range means very little compared to other aspects of a missile.
Like what?
Acceleration, manoeuvrability (to a certain point), and burn time, for example.
Are there calculations that the PL-15 has a range of more than 200 km?
Well it is a Mach 5+ missile with dual pulse rocket booster and AESA seeker, aligns with predictions of JATM very well as that is the exact thing JATM needs to beat.
Any of those missiles have clear stats like that? AIM260 is in service only theoretically, haven’t seen any. R37M is a much bigger missile, which is so far the only one been combat tested.
end speed also matters a lot, actually, it’s the most important things, it decides if the missile can catch the enemy plane. That’s how dual pause rocket work, save some fuel for a re-ignition.
Whether or not we know the exact details for them is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is that they are more important than theoretical max range.
I never said it doesn’t. I explicitly said “for example” to make it clear that those aren’t the only things.
Think it was mentioned on a CCTV thing where there is a PL15 simulation shown of PLAAF in the style of WT replay sensor mode, need to find it.
Yes and given we can’t provide them, should we not, 1, compare known stats 2, ignore what are claimed to be ‘superior’ missiles and have a look for ourselves with known evidence. It shouldn’t be started with the claim:
such videos are not an indicator
The length of the rocket is about 4 meters, with a diameter of 0.2 mm, its range is no more than 200 km at an altitude of 20 km and a speed of 2M.
then, only the display board of PL-15E, offers 200km, and a interview about it’s designer, which suggests the PL-15E removed the dual pause engine, and the service one has more range.
Well that’s the best we’ve got. They are the same ones that do demonstrate dog fight scenarios in exercises also, so could well have represented an IRL thing.
Well it also depends on fuel and aerodynamics. PL15 also has dual pulse so u should also account for that to do a two stage thing where the range would be sort of 250km+.
Even taking into account the two-pulse range, this is no more than 200 km. The battery supply may not be enough. And there are also several conditions for calculating the farthest limit of damage.
The PL-21 is definitely a missile of more than 200 km, a missile with a large elongation of the hull has a good ballistic coefficient. And the far border will be determined by the margin of work.
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shouldn’t battery supply designed based on fuel and aerodynamics, or can say, range? battery supply should match the missile’s range, not a limit.
The missile is designed based on the range of damage. The battery also has a size and weight. Internal volumes are limited. Either you add a battery, but at the same time you remove either the warhead or the engine. You’ll have to sacrifice something anyway
yes, but I mean it should match