Shenyang J-11, J-16, J-15, History, Performance & Discussion

It just copied N001 search modes right? with AN/APG70 stats minus the range of 60km.

Yeah pretty much, most notably the ACM mode is a copy of the N001 one.

The block 70 is so far the most advanced F-16 and since the USAF doesn’t operate these the most advanced F-16 USA can get is the block 60 (if UAE is counted as a subtree which would make a lot of sense). If China gets the most advanced F-16 and USA doesn’t, US mains are gonna burn the whole world down

Lol.

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Lol

It’s not scary. The United States can get some kind of Greek or Jordanian version, block 70/72.

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Can just get another F-16V. Also, USAF upgrade F-16C BLK 50 past block 70 standard (better ECM than F-16V)

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Now I want to see it added in purely for the reactions

Do any of J11/J10s get NCTR? I couldn’t find a thing that mentions it. Huge pain trying to identify missiles and planes.

As far as I know they don’t rn.

Are any Chinese fighters known to have NCTR?

No clue
But there’s no technical bottlenecks, I’m just not aware of there being proof.

In theory they’ve only got to simulate the radar return signals and analyse to recognise the key features. I think they have NCTR on early warning aircraft but absolutely no proof of them on fighters unfortunately.

just a note, something a lot of people get confused on are the EW wingtip pods that the chart uses as an identifying feature for J-16D.



Su-27UBK, Su-30MKK, Su-27SK have all been seen with wingtip “Sorbitsiya” ECM pod. Su-27UBK is particularly nasty because the only real differentiating feature is the radome colour, which may not be visible from certain aspects.

Another thing to mention is that J-11BG is not on the chart. J-11BG can be identified by light grey radome.

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Yeah, it was a bit lacking. This one is better but missing some of the more obscure variants such as the J-11BG as you mentioned. It does have the Su-27UBK though.

Wingtip ECM is pretty much the only majorly defining feature of the J-16D that’s visible in almost every picture, so it’s unfortunately the only thing that can really be put.

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I mean, the J-16D features the low-vis gray livery that is exclusive to the J-16 and J-15T/J-15D, due a coat of RAM paint over it. This is enough differentiation between something like the J-11BS or J-11BSH which don’t have it. And unlike J-15s the J-16s don’t feature canards.


J-16D also lacks an internal cannon.

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Although it is worthy to note that the very early batch of J-16s didn’t have this livery, but you can still see differences such as the ring around the radome, and IRST that is mounted on the side of the cockpit instead of the center like the J-11 family.

Not gonna lie, the flankers look incredibly cool in this scheme


They do, the J-15T is now my favorite Flanker in terms of looks



It has that J-16-style low vis livery with canards

J-15D has the livery + canards + twin-seat configuration.

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