All J-11’s are based on Russian Su-27 by design and feature no further use of composites than the earlier Su-27 variants. The Chinese engines and other components are generally heavier. There has been no information to suggest that the J-11B should be lighter than it is in-game. So really, what is all the discussion about? If it isn’t centered on source material then it really isn’t worth having.
Sir, since you are requesting evidence that J11B is lighter from us, you should also present evidence that you believe J11B is heavier
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Then I would like you to back up this assertion, you certainly seem very adamant about it.
The unfortunate truth is due to Chinese OPSEC, we will be unable to provide information from official sources. This isn’t your first time in a CN vehicle thread, you should know by now. So Gaijin will have to fudge or make estimates if they want to add newer CN vehicles anyway. Most of what we know about the rough capabilities of modern CN fighters are from dedicated PLAAF watchers, interviews from AVIC or PLAAF officials, or the occasional documentary broadcasted on television. This is simply the reality.
At the same time, I have posted many examples here before, ranging from photos to even documentaries regarding the crafting of composites for the J-11B airframe. Need me to post them once again? You can argue that no concrete figures are given other than vague 700-800 kg lighter airframe and these aren’t “reliable” sources, but it is difficult to refute what can be seen, and what can logically be concluded. Why would there be a documentary focused on this topic if such process had not been used?
I can say the statement “counterweights had to be added to balance the airframe because of the Type 1493 being lighter than the original N001” which goes against your assertion that the components are heavier. It’s a popular statement among the CN military sphere, and despite there is nothing concrete on the validity of this, the statement you made also wasn’t backed up by any source as well. Do you know the actual figures of how much the radar weighs compared to N001? Do you know how much the new avionics system weight? I ask you to please share your sources if that is case.
If you don’t like us having this discussion, then you may leave the thread, there’s no one forcing you to stay here after all. The only “source” material is through interviews, photos, or documentaries, and that’s it. Unless you are trying to argue that the J-11B is a downgrade compared to Su-27SK, which I certainly hope you don’t believe so.
This is a thread that is focused on the Shenyang Flankers. So we are not allowed to discuss characteristics of them here? No one should be policing this. We don’t go around and police others for eg. the EFT or Rafale forum for saying things we don’t necessarily agree with.
Though if you DO want more detailed information of what we know about the J-11B, you can ask @pegabug, they know more on this specific topic than I do. Excuse my impoliteness if you may, but I’m burned out from a long day.
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All J-11’s are based on Russian Su-27 by design and feature no further use of composites than the earlier Su-27 variants. The Chinese engines and other components are generally heavier
Ragebait use to be believable, at this point you’re just trolling and I genuinely do respect the hustle. But being realistic though, the best Flankers in general are the Chinese ones, not their Russian counterpart - when we eventually do get the J-16 and other advanced Flankers, Russian mains will be flooding into the Chinese TT as their vehicles won’t be as good and it’ll remain so until we eventually get 6th generation aircraft.
Next you’ll claim the SU-57 is superior to the J-20 and F-22 as there is no unclassified primary sources to disprove this
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Best flanker for war thunder in china TT, it’s Su-35
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Only if it has PL-15s and not RVV-AE/SDs
I don’t think they’ll add RVV-BD for Chinese Su-35
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Doubt, especially with history of Chinese TT being held back (PL-5Eii on J-10A anyone?).
Besides, it only jets. Judging a nation TT by only one tree is very unwise imo, still need to account for ground and helies and Chinese helies… so far, for me, it just pure pain (besides chicky “I am the Anti-Air now”. Thats funny, but a gimmick at best)
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Only if it has PL-15s and not RVV-AE/SDs
A J-16 with PL-17s and PL-15s would be a far greater threat than a SU-35S equipped with PL-15s - the SU-35S never equipped them anyways iirc.
Very humorous, the SU-35S doesn’t hold a candle to the J-16, the only match for it would be the F-15EX and debatably later variants of the Eurofighter/Rafale. There is a reason why China never precured a large quantity of SU-35s, their Sino - Flanker fleet were deemed superior all whilst being indigenous.
I’m strictly talking about Air RB, you obviously can’t bring a MBT or helicopter into a dogfight lol. I also don’t see Gaijin holding back China aviation in the future as they’re the only real rival to the US, no other foreign aircraft other than the J-20 and J-35 can match the F-22 or F-35.
No!..The Su-35S will be better in terms of aerodynamic qualities in any case!!!
In terms of radar detection /scanning / capture range and Optical location system parameters, you can argue if you find the real characteristics of the Chinese…
The Su-35S is a direct modification of the Su-27, which was named Su-35 for other reasons as well as the T-90 tank…
The red outline of the Su-35S…
Main reasons : High price and KNAAZ can’t meet China’s demand for aircraft. And the production license makes no sense, considering that the Chinese flankers have the same capabilities.
Su-35 best for WT, because they can guide missiles when nothing
The Su-27SK is heavier than Su-27S by 400kg. The J-11B is heavier than the Su-27SK by 600-800, let’s take an average of 700. It is 300kg lighter than the Su-27S. Once again, even BVVD said that it would be the best flanker in the game in terms of flight specifications.
The Su-35SK is even considered by PLAAF to be an old and obsolete product lmao. According to a less reliable source, when PLAAF acquired the Su-35SK, it was even suspected that the Russians were giving inferior goods, whose poor electronic systems shocked the pilots. Of course, pilots rated its maneuverability as “quite good”, but it was nothing but maneuverability.
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This is what I have been saying for a while now, we should be recieving an AESA equipped J-11BG if they want this aircraft to sit up at 14.0, when compared to the F-15C, the current J-11B will have a comparable radar, less fox-3s, similar FM, less CMs and a few other similarities and tradeoffs that confuses me as to why it’s 14.0 instead of 13.7 like fhe F-15C, unless gaijin thinks 8 Amraams is somehow worse than 6 PL-12s
The russians either gave china a downgraded Irbis radar, or it was simply so far behind chinese AESA that it appears to of been sabotaged lol, we may never know
Should be a 31F-M1 equivalent with a lighter airframe than a 27SM
Oh, no. The US planes are full of crap. The Su-27’s airframe is much, much better, especially after the introduction of the cobra key. And the rockets are better. The J-11B is quite as good as the F-15E in terms of acceleration and speed characteristics, I think it will be about the same in terms of radar, but better in terms of maneuverability and missiles in close and medium air combat. And as for CMS, I’d rather have a 98 large caliber than a 240 small one… Although I would still like a j-11bg with AESA.
SU-35sk are actively used by the PLA Air Force, participated in interception I don’t think China is that unhappy with them. Yes, the aircraft is electronically worse than the same J-16, but I don’t think it’s that bad.
Hey guys, do you think PLAAF will use PL15/17/10 to replace the R77-1 on the Su35 in the future, just like the modifications made on Su30MKK2
Maybe