Not my logic.
Which variant are the MiGs they acquired?
Again I do not say I would necessarily increase it’s Br.
What about the other Harriers would they all get the improvements?
With the exception of a few specific upgrades like EEGS for the FRS1s, better RWR for the SQV FRS1 or Phimat pod for the Gr3 to name but a few.
Every other upgrade would come to all 14 universally. Especially the big ones like the heat sig improvements, better FM and engine upgrades. (all 5 of the major upgrades listed in the OP would be for all Harriers, but of course some differences between Harrier 1s and Harrier 2s)
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That sounds a lot like a Br increase to me unfortunately.
Gaijin ist not consistent with Br increases ofc.
Mirage 2000C S4 is lower than S5 because it has some less countermeasures for example.
It really depends.
WIth 100% of the possible buffs / bug fixes sorted. Some may very well move, but also quite a few are tenatively over BRed already.
Looking through them all.
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Harrier Gr1 with no CMs wont move, 9.7 is already pushing it. (I will also assume SRAAM gets buffed)
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Harrier Gr3 and AV-8C are probably fine as well. 60 CMs isnt too bad for the BR either, but wouldnt be the end of the world if they end up at 10.0 assuming they were at full strength (phimat pod wont impact BR, its just chaff)
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AV-8A and AV-8S with 240 CMs probably should be higher already, so defifnetly would move up to 10.0 at least.
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Sea Harrier FRS1e is already pushing it a bit at 10.7 and would probably be more comfortable at 10.3 if it wasnt for the Aim-9Ls it carries. So I cant see any major changes there, at worse 11.0, but Id hope that would come with 9L buffs though.
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AV-8S (late) wont get as many buffs as the FRS1 but trades that for having 4x more CMs so it would be fine at the same BR as the FRS1
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Sea Harrier FRS1 would be fine at 11.3 (and is already at 11.3 in SB) with all the buffs and can always get 2-4x Aim-9M if truly needed
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Harrier T10 could move up to 11.7 as it may if BOL gets fixed and it can always get 2x more BOL
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Harrier Gr7 again, already pushing it a bit at 12.3 with no radar and subsonic, but can get 2x more AIm-9M
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Sea Harrier FA2 is already over BRed and should be 12.7 at the moment. Full strength, it would comfortably sit at 13.0 and actually be half decent
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AV-8B+ I cant see any real reason to move it up at the moment. Its not bad but it isnt great either.
So overall. Some might move, but not for quite a while. Buffs would if anything bring them in line with their current BRs rather than moving them up at all. Its not until the buffs start to accumulate that BR changes might start being needed and if/when that happens its fine, because its got the buffs it needs to justify it. Id rather be able to flare an R-60 at 11.0 in the FRS1e than not be able to at 10.7 for example.
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AV-8S should actually get a twin sidewinder rail now that I think about it.
AV-8S (late) does already have them. I assume the AV-8S doesnt for balancing reasons.
They never had them IRL iirc.
The Americans never used them and we never sold them, so how on earth could they have them.
Im fairly certain I’ve seen it mentioned before.
I dont know if Thailand used them, but could very well be a carry over from Spanish Service.
@WreckingAres283 might have a source for it
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The only real difference between the AV-8S (originally sold to Spain) and the AV-8A was radios and dual rails. It wasn’t a super common loadout, but wasn’t exactly rare. The AV-8S “Matador” was built for the Spanish (under designation VA.1 Matador), then sold to Thailand (under designation B.KhL.1).
Image is of the AV-8S Matador in service w/ Spain, with dual-rail AIM-9s.
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I don’t think Thailand did, but technically its still capable of using said dual rail, so I don’t see an issue with it. Its not like 4x AIM-9Ls are game-breaking at 11.0, and it isn’t ahistorical.
Hmm… im on the fence. I dont necessarily have issue with it but also could loose them and just join the FRS1e at 10.7 with just 2.
But it is certainly a grey area.
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Probably. I mean they likely wanted it to be practically identical to the AV-8A in the US tech tree. They did the same w/ other vehicles because they wanted it at a certain BR. Most recently the MiG-29 Sniper is missing R-73s because it is intended to be at 12.7.
Maybe. I would be fine with either, I think having 4x missiles already makes it an interesting Harrier I, similar to the FRS.1 Squadron
The phrase “la muerte negra” was coined by the english… it doesn’t even sound right in Argentine spanish, you can tell it is word for word translation from english. smh
Yeah. Loadouts have always been a balancing decision. There are dozens of examples
Harrier 809 by Rowland White - (covers a lot of the war from the Argentine perspective too, very good read for a good picture of the air war from both sides)
So might not have been wide spread, but probably did originate from an Argentinian in some form
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This is really interesting, it seems to be a Russian source however, I’m not going to say it didn’t have the dual rails either I’ll just do some more digging.
Matador w/ Dual Rails (Spanish service)
Whether its a Russian source or not doesn’t matter, its an image of the AV-8S.
If you do manage to find documentation, i’d love to see it though!
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She defo had them, curious as to how they got them lol.