Sea Harrier, Gr Harriers, AV-8A/AV-8C, and AV-8S discussion about flight performance



and i DO support the creators of the camos as well

(723 was a T.4 but ill allow it, doubt gaijin will add that version)

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And whats most annoying. Its not just 9Ls. I once had an Aim-9E still hit me in a SHar, despite throttling down and spamming flares and Jinking.

With the F-117 code recently added. Options now exist to address that issue without game-wide radical overhauls of IR code and it would take them 30 seconds to implement.

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Sort of, the H-'s changes include;

  • Higher constant gimbal rotation rate of 20 deg/sec vs 8-12 deg/sec (depends on actual position of seeker) of the -9D/-9G.
  • 250 in/lb (1350in/lb) Higher torque Servo motor so can deflect the fins under greater resistance, so should retains maximum G loading at lower altitudes / higher speed.
  • -9H uses the “spiral” SEAM scan scan pattern, where the -9G uses the “Double D” pattern, so the polling rate of the majority of the FoR is better.
    *The -9H Chirps while locked on to ensure Target is captured by the Seeker’s null, instead of no longer being tracked.

So in all it’s very much slight improvements that focus on improving reliability, minimizing edge cases and repeatability over any actual performance gains.

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In the manual it says something about increasing seeker width as well? I would like H sidewinders on them now after hearing that they are better.

They could even carry Ls

Why don’t they than. Or give the Shars HUDS so they can actually be played in SIM. or EEGS for frs.1

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This is more manoeuvrable then what we currently have ingame btw.

a trainer version with a heavier front less powerful engine IRL is better then the combat versions inagme…

Truly the “2600 historically accurate and detailed models / internals” i signed up for

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The NASA report quite literally states “turn performance as a function of Mach number and altitude” and the devs went mhmm yes this must be ITR

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Legitimately yes lol. I have a time to climb report up along with a video proving it takes too long. The devs replied to the Tech Mod I’ve been talking with stating they managed to get it within a few seconds of the time i stated it needed to be.

The tech mod asked how (its not possible) and they never replied to my knowledge

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God knows.

I can almost forgive something like the SRAAM having 2+ year old reports yet to be fixed, its a niche missile barely used by anyone… But there is what? 14 ish Harriers accross 4 different nations now and nothing. Not even basic stuff is fixed like the sooty exhausts

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Neither the FoV (Instantaneous Field of View) / FoR (Field of Regard, all points in space that are searched though one cycle of the scan pattern) is actually increased over the -9G, it’s just a more consistent search pattern that practically has a constant polling rate regardless of where in the FoR the point in question is, it’s just that the Non-Radar Slaved elements of SEAM functionality are not modeled for any Sidewinders.

And due to the issues with improper / simplified thermal modeling, they would catch and lock-onto flares constantly so it’s not an advantage at least for now.

Even if Sidewinders should be much more resistant to Flares;
AIM-9L flare resistance

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13 harriers, 4 nations. all wrong

beautiful

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I can’t believe 5 years nearly and its just been a lumbering brick in the sky for that long lol. Has no one thought it underperforms?

The devs really do seem to have bias against it. I don’t like to throw that whole bias cope out their too much but its not even close to IRL performance.

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13!! thats kind of crazy

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and easily a few more on the way.

Harrier Gr5
Harrier Gr9A
AV-8B(DA)
EAV-8B+
Harrier T8

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Makes me wonder if any Yak-38 documents were used, or being referenced?

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totally lol. In fact ive tested the Yak-38 a lot and you would be surprised to see that the difference in performance is actually very small.

Yak-38 is faster and climbs better, Harrier turns better in game

IRL Harrier is better by a lot in basically every way

TBH, i will say the Yak 38 is TERRIBLE. But it probably still performs better ingame then IRL.

Plane with so little combat experience they knew it was a deathtrap when they flew it for the first time and they couldnt use it in the heat.

VS

Plane thats over 50 years old, with an OUTSTANDING track record (Falklands Gen 1 harriers when INSANE), and is still in service with the B models today

IIRC, it was mentioned somewhere that the Yak-38 used the Harrier’s FM (for low speed handling) due to a lack of data on actual performance or something.


but i dont mind them ingame, they look funny and their lore IRL is straight out of a sitcom hahaha

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