Harrier 1 Time to Climb // Gaijin.net // Issues
Another report.
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Goodness gracious,
when you see the comparison it becomes even more silly.
Also noticing that even at slow speed with that massive pegasus thrust and nozzles pointed in the slightly forwards position, it does nothing to push the plane in the direction of the thrust vector or even effectively slow the plane down. You can see in the footage the harriers accelerating in the direction of the thrust vector (vertically relative to the plane), not just forwards.
You’re also pulling down towards the ground meaning you should have the thrust, control surfaces AND gravity all helping point you nose towards the ground and yet it still feels like a struggle. I’ve noticed this a lot flying this in simulator; the thrust vector does almost nothing when used with hard pitch inputs until you get to almost zero airspeed and stall out. Slowing down with nozzles in the slightly forward position also feels relatively ineffective, and comparable to just an ordinary airbrake until you get down to a low enough airspeed that you can stall the plane.
Lastly I’m sorry for the closed bug report. It’s insane to me that even with all the evidence right in front of them they consider mach 0.91 to be the maximum achievable speed with such a beast of an engine. They’re incredulous the plane would have “insane” thrust characteristics to achieve what multiple documents in fornt of them say it can achieve, while also talking about a plane that can vertically take off with a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio from a single engine.
Hope they pass the time to climb/thrust bug report, but I have a feeling they’ll push back on this since they’ve just been saying they think the documentation is wrong? Also surely fixing that would also have a significant impact on the planes manoeuvering characteristics as well?
Anyway good luck, I’m still following this with keen interest as the Harrier is a big favourite of mine.
Cheers,
Sebdspy
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It looks like the time to climb report has been looked at and listened too. As for the VIFF its basically non existent in war thunder. Couple that with the Pegasus engine losing all of its thrust by simply moving forward and it becomes pointless. I have the official accelerometer readings for the VIFFing tests and it is able to generate decelerative forces that are enough to pull the pilot forward and be smushed into the gunsight.
Along with rapid deceleration the VIFF could also add an extra 1-2 instantaneous G to any given turn. Its benefit to STR was basically null however. The Harriers strength as a dogfighter was found in its TWR and extreme acceleration a pilot has claimed that the Harrier should beat F-15 and F-16 class fighters up to 400 knots. Its a good 10 seconds slower in war thunder to 400 knots.
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Currently working on a VIFF report to pass on to the Devs.
Just a teaser to how bad the VIFF is modeled in game currently using the airbrake decelerates the plane faster than putting the nozzles to breaking stop.
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VIFF report for those who want to see.
Harrier: Vectoring in Forward Flight // Gaijin.net // Issues
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The devs how now decided that the time to climb being over a minute off is close enough. And state is close enough to standard aircraft characteristics. Yet it’s over 1 minute in disparity.
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+801NAS
Man, Your Enthusiasm about Early harriers is insanely good.
Keep up the good work. XD
I hope someday, both Sea Harrier FRS.1/FA.2 get better FM. and become playable.
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They um have deleted 2 posts now.
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Can you provide us with full report? I think the report is no longer a secret.
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Whoa jesus christ
I just got deleted a post of mine within nearly a minute!
Are they overwatching this topic?
Maybe they are aware and worrying us about leaking secrets :|
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[Not a Bug]
It seems that Gaijin thinks [having proper FM on British planes] is a bug. :/
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To be fair I had to use WTRTI and I know the devs don’t like that but LocalHost doesn’t report on lateral deceleration. However the stupidity lies in the fact gaijin thinks putting the nozzles in breaking stop only has 1/3 the decelerating force as the air break.
Yet in reality it slowed the plane down so much the test pilots concluded it was terrifying and where pressed against the HUD.
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Maybe a suggestion to “extend” Sensor view in replays / test flight to aircraft could be made?
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Maybe. Doubt they would though. I also couldn’t really be asked to go through the struggle of making said suggestion right now.
It’s clear that when it’s comes to the harrier reports that I am focusing on right now, facts and documentation is less important than devs personal opinions.
Based on that I don’t see the devs adding another source for someone to counter what they deem is gospel.
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Documents attached to bug reports are not visible to other users. I mean the RAF report.
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I posted them as screenshots
I think, maybe he wants the full dossier of TR 77021