So we’re catering to low br arcade players that will probably quit playing in a month and still haven’t fixed rb matchmaking?
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The one plane that is impacted by this is the Sakeen, currently BR 3.3 which gets downtiered to 3.0, since there is no lower BR plane in the tree it’ll just go up to it’s actual BR of 3.3 :/
Also as I understand this new system, if you just want to play a single plane and have it downtiered every plane except the Sakeen can be paired with 2 reserve planes and will be downtiered, if you use regular planes at BR -.3 and BR -.6 they will get crewlocked and the plane you want to fly gets no downtier… strange system…
lmao yeah exactly this match is bad
maybe there should be restriction on spawns, but definitely not 5
how limiting respawns can affect such games? such tactics has nothing to do with 10+ spawns, if you are not doing this in first few you are done, gg. Because enemy knows what to do and just a lot better
No, all multispawn modes should have unlimited respawns. Naval and ground struggling cause the 3 respawn rule since introduction.
They do it anyway no matter the amount of spawns. Absents of random players normal random group interaction(like penalting the rewards for group play) and solo gaming orientation(basically group slows you in infinity going marathons and BP tasks grind) is the reason, not spawns. The more solo player can spawn there more he can oppose 4 player team.
I think people are misreading this.
There’s not much change to the rule for 3 or more aircraft in slots in AB sometimes giving you a 0.3 BR advantage (but see below). The bigger change seems to be if you choose to have only 1-2 aircraft in slots.
Before:
“If you want to send less than 3 vehicles into battle (specifically the number of serviceable aircraft in the crew slots is less than 3), so the BR values for the missing aircraft in the formula will be counted as A-0.6.”
Now:
"For 2 vehicles
If only two crews go into the battle (the number of usable aircraft in the crew slots is 2), then the calculation of the average BR uses the same principles but different formula:
BR = A/2+B/2
where A and B are the BRs of the vehicles in the crew slots.
"For 1 vehicle
If only one vehicle participates in the battle, then the average BR will be equal to its BR."
It’s the two-plane rule that seems the interesting change here.
Before if you took one plane into lineup you got a 0.3 BR offset (so a Sakeen at 3.3 with nothing else became a 3.0). That is apparently going away for the single plane. Before, if you only two planes, it also normally gave you that same 0.3 offset (so a 4.3 plus a 4.7 became a 4.3 lineup). Sounds like the one thing this would change would be if you took two planes, and if it’s a 4.3 plus a 3.7 or below, you’d still get the 4.0 lineup, but if you took two planes and it’s a 4.7 plus a 4.3, then it becomes a 4.7, same as the new single-plane situation? Guess we’ll find out in the morning.
Graphic of the old system that made sense to me, will wait to see the new one:
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For 3+ vehicle lineups, it reads like(?) the exception for vehicles 2.0 BR or below changing the calculation could also be gone (note, that’s not for sure), which would make the new rule look like this, in the same format:
So before, if one of your vehicles was 2.0+ BR below it was ignored, so you ended up with the higher BR anyway. It appears that’s gone now (since it’s not in the new writeup, and that WOULD be a simplification), so if that exception is also gone you should be able to get that 0.3 BR bonus with a wider range of sub-BR vehicles in slots 2 and 3 than before. At least that’s my read.
Hope that in the br changes the zsu 23-4M2 goes to 7.7 and the radar one 8.0 makes zero sense having a ta 152 c3 or a p-51H and a spit mk24 having the impossible to fly against a quad barrelled automatic 23mm and the same goes to the m163 it shouldn´t be 7.3 they abuse enough on downtiers.
I think no one said that. Any changes to 1-2 slots are useless cause you can cheese these rules by taking 3 planes and playing those 1 or 2 as usual, that’s what we was talking about. Those who really want to abuse single plane BR reduction will continue, just with minor adjustments
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I mean with plentiful backups a six-Sakeen lineup at 3.0 instead of 3.3 was perfectly doable, so this only makes sense, really, from a fairness perspective. I am curious if the removal of the +2.0 BR lower planes not counting for an offset in full lineups is a thing or they just forgot to add that existing exception to the Wiki.
what do you mean six-Sakeen? you can’t use more than 1 backup on each plane. Sakeen is the only case where this change will work just because there are no other planes, 3.0 and 2.7 for example. Most other broken planes that people usually abuse can be added to setup BR/-0.3/-0.6 and you are gucchi, just play your single plane.
Btw I just remembered another one abuse, Junkers 288C. Especially during event people just spam single one. And 6.0 instead of 5.7 are pretty much more jets you are facing = not so effective farm. And here crewlock is a problem cause almost no alternatives with equal efficiency, maybe fresh He-177 from BP, but same nation
A reserve plane gets triple flyouts, plus triple backups, IF the backup is already assigned to the plane. So you can run the Sakeen three times, then pop the backup, then fly three more times.
The trick is if you select to pop the backup from in game you only get one backup, so you always want one backup riding on your Sakeen (or any other reserve plane) going into a fight.
ah I see it counts as a reserve. Makes sense then
Heli PvE matchmaking needs to be revised. Battles should be spitted according to the helicopter’s missiles: SACLOS, laser guided or Fire-and-forget.
All the more reason(s) to simply ditch the entire averaging thing and just move Air AB to a highest BR in your line up determines how the matchmaker sets you into games. Just like every other mode besides one and done Air RB.
More continuity, less chances for players to cheese the system and less drastic circumstances in uptier/downtier scenarios.
The averaging thing has outlived any usefulness and really needs to be retired.
There are plenty of planes at all BRs in almost every nation and with back ups, no real reason a player cannot make a line up to play a full Air AB match without running out of planes.
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Squads should play exclusively with squads, without ruining the game for everyone else. Especially a squad of 4 people.
I met nerds playing according to the tactics you described, tried to write in the chat so that everyone would focus and shoot them down, but it did not help much because of the large number of crew slots and backups they have. After the battle, I counted in the log: one of them only went into battle 5 times on IL-2, some newbies do not even have that many crews.
Personally I’m happy about this, finally I can play Yak-4 and other BR 2 planes in a relaxed manner without seeing KD nerds on sakeen.
This change hurts smaller nations that have their planes spread across a variety of BR numbers, e.g. a 5.0, 5.3, and 5.7 now get classed as 5.7, whereas a large nation that has 3 or more 5.7 planes now has a big advantage over that small nation.
And still, people abusing the likes of the MIG-21S (R-13-300) can still add a junk plane to end up at BR8.7 instead of 9.0, which makes it ridiculous when it gets downtiered, yesterday I saw one with 25 kills and zero deaths when I gave up.
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The update is already here, and of course no one listened to players concerns.
If you use one plane in the lineup, your matchmaker BR will be the same as this plane BR:
Spoiler
But you can very easily go around this and add a second plane that is two BR steps lower:
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Then you can abuse the lower BR matchmaker. So this change doesn’t really change much.
Why is it so hard to just use the highest BR vehicle in the lineup as the matchmaker BR? This would be the most fair, but also the simplest solution and it would fix all the problems players already mentioned in this topic.
The BR “averaging” system in Air Arcade is so heavily abused these days that if you don’t do this yourself, you will be in a disadvantage compared to many other players. I use this system as well, just because I don’t want to fight against 1.3 or 1.4 BR higher planes.
If you want to be competitive, you are basically forced to use this system and lower your BR, which is unfair to all players who don’t use it.
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Tested on 2.3 - 2.0 -1.7 plane, the average of which is 2.075, according to the wiki it should be 2.0 , the actual value being 2.075, yet in game it’s 2.3.
On the other hand now you can downtier any plane by pairing it with a single reserve plane (which even if not used will not get crewlocked)
This is not ‘simplified’, this is weird…
With such weird calculations I tend to agree with LeChance, just skip the mechanic altogether and make the BR of the highest plane the BR of the lineup…
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You are correct. So this new system is even dumber and more open to abuse than I expected.
Just add a reserve plane to the plane you want to play at a lower BR and you are fine (you don’t play this reserve plane, just add it to the lineup to have a lower BR matchmaker). And since everyone has reserve planes, this system is just stupid. As usual, the devs didn’t think this change through at all. They even called it “simplified” somehow.
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