Now add the inevitable enemy fighters or an incoming SAM you need to dodge. You know, as it would happen if your comparison was relevant to the topic.
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So Me-410 is OP by your own argument, not your words, your rationale.
Either acknowledge them all, or you’re clearly fanboying over a specific country’s equipment.
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The American 37mm barely pens more than a .50cal XD
Oh yeah those are definitely the most skilled of players.
Give me the server replay link, I’d love to watch the replay
I claim the same for the me262 with the 50mm. I was flying my “boat” of a TU-1 and a very terrible player flying an me262 shot like 15 rounds at me trying to kill me. And one hit blew me in half.
I couldn’t out run him, or out turn him. And my inferior defensive machine guns were only “hitting” him. (Yes I was manually controlling it).
Meanwhile, in my XA-38 vs the Yak, I have a good chance to out run it, and possibly light it on fire. Not to mention I can drop my x4 500 lb bombs to get him off my tail.
Yes, that is what happens when you meet another attacker a full BR above yours. You usually lose.
Only if you already started near your top speed, which is almost impossible to do if ground attacking. 9K has much greater acceleration and can keep you away from the battlefield indefinitely by simply not allowing you to fly back in, because it is a fighter. You can’t turn against him because he is a fighter. You can’t outclimb him because he is a fighter.
None of this applies to, say, an Me 410.
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What’s weird, is with my bombs, and cannons in my boat I was able to score 6 kills. What’s weird is the other day I played the XA, and scored 7 kills with the bombs and cannons.
The bombs are far more effective than any cannon
If you check all Vickers products, you can find that most of 47mm gun has APHE, that’s pretty funny
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The XA gets the unusually strong option for the tier of 4 individual bomb drops, while still retaining reasonable flight performance. The only other one that comes close is the massively slept on P-61, which gets larger bombs and a cluster of 20mms for strafing, at the cost of worse flight performance.
However, they have this capability at the cost of a massively larger profile and worse retention, meaning they’re relatively easy for SPAA or CAP to intecerpt and destroy.
The Yak-9K can kill that many or more in a single flyout with good trigger discipline, while being a tiny fast target which can outdogfight most other common planes in the air and is a fairly tricky target for SPAA too. The kills they can manage is far more consistent, and not reliant on being left entirely alone in the air.
The first two should probably go up in BR as well, but the XA is a somewhat uncommon premium and the P-61 is enormously slept on so the problem isn’t as apparent as with the Yak. There are a lot of lower tier CAS that weren’t touched when they did the BR split between air and ground, they mostly focused on the really egregious examples at the higher tiers like the A-4E. There’s a lot of CAS that’s pretty laughably strong at the lower tiers at the moment (The F6F having 3 individual 1000 lbs bombs, 4 HVARs, 6 .50s and competant flight performance at 3.3 is hysterical)
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A-1H and A-2D are still far more egregious Im my opinion. With these two typically being more “boat like” than the twin engine.
A-2D gets a 4000 lb. Bomb
Meanwhile the A-1H has so many weapon types. Now if it was any good with the Zuni rockets I’d have one hell of a stat, but 18x 500 lb bombs or taking 2x 2000 and 6x 500 lb bombs with a couple Hvars is mighty effective.
Yes granted it’s a different br. But it’s not be all end all with the yak as everyone claims. Especially when ULQ only plays one plane to test his theory (confirmation bias).
I am with you in general - and specifically for the usage in Ground RB, but i want to point out that your assessment depends strongly on the model of the 410, the chosen game mode and the circumstances of an engagement.
Hidden as imho off-topic:
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In the last 4-6 months i saw a hell of excellent fighter pilots in Air RB which used primarily the 109 F-2 at 3.0 and some of them even the 410s at 2.7, 3.0 and 3.3 - with astonishingly positive results.
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I watched those replays in order to analyze their tactics.
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Even admitting that these successes were mainly based on superior pilot experience, the 410s are thx to the way different combat setup of Air RB not really helpless. It depends mainly on the ability of their pilots to force those Yaks to accept rather unfavorable terms for a fight and to keep the initiative.
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The 410s come with a strike aircraft spawn and climb at lower BRs surprisingly well - it is possible to fly the aircraft with infinite WEP and merge with any Yak-9K with a significant altitude advantage. If the 410s are able to keep the fight above 4 km they are from my pov slightly faster and can dictate the fight to a certain degree for the first minutes.
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I revisited the 3.3 410 A-1 and was actually very happy with it - so happy that i aced the plane (by playing it) as an alternative for my beloved SM 92 to fulfill daily tasks with a Rank III strike aircraft.
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Whilst the SM 92 excels with outstanding high alt performance & turn fight abilities (i use HOTAS only), very good high speed handling & dive performance (rip speed 860-870 kmph TAS at higher alt) the 410s fly rather like a brick - but is able to outdive a Yak in a very shallow dive whilst using the defensive MG 131 effectively up to 2 km - the (manual) defensive gunner is responsible for about 25% of my kills.
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In case of getting totally surprised, a 90 degree dive whilst playing with my air brake saved me quite often, the Yak pilots assess any 410 as free kill and underestimate their acceleration in dives and rip their wings very fast.
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Unfortunately this does not work against any P-39/P-63, but you can’t have it all.
Have a good one!
Would even better with 15mm Mg 151/15 (and when they are fixed…)
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Well there is 47mm Aphe, for the 3 pdr gun, tho quite early on discontinued for the 2 pdr iirc.
And they would propably shatter (irl) from the high power vickers.
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Yes, but in theory, they can use APHE, but unfortunately there is no document to prove that.
Just got a game where without even a single landing in the airport I was able to gather all the needed SP from something around 0 to 2500 by just simply flying Jak-9UT.
This gun is so balanced. The best feeling is destroying Tiger II H from above while they can’t do anything about it.
At the moment I have ~7.4 K/D in it in GRB only with 148 games 70% W/R.
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I might need to check them out again. Last time I played the lower BR ones my impression was that they were good for heavy fighters, but still not very potent against most single-engine fighters.
But yeah, my statements for the Me 410 in this discussion are specifically for the 50mm variant; while some of those may hold for 410s in general, the 50mm gun does cause (to my knowledge) a relatively potent drop in flight performance.
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A 7.0 and a 6.3.
Replay link? I asked for one before, but you would provide it, which is highly suspicious
This also seems very confirmation bias
What’s really weird, is I killed a panther in the P59A, by all right an amazing fighter and great anti air capabilities. It has an APHE belt with only 37mm pen. But its fire rate is really high.
Weird though that it’s a poor ground attacker but I still manage.
In regards to planes bs tanks, I still don’t see how you can willfully ignore bombs being potent. I’ve seen a Lancaster / PE8 nuke up to 8 tanks in one drop, rearm and do it all over again…
Seems like your answer is remove cas
The 37 mm of the P-59 has no APHE.
It either fires solid shot or HE.
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