How can u say s1 is worse than ito/flarakrad? U clearly dont have any experiance fighting against s1
S1 has TWS, K band lock, the best radar elevation and ofc the longest range missile that is capable of spawn camping a damn airspawn. AND NONE OF OTHER SPAAS HAVE THAT (well except maybe tor but tor is sht). Saying that it isnt the best is total absurd
Well it has guns as well, which is super important. Its also more tanky and more mobile than Flarakrad. Check it out, Pantsir is quite resistant to ATGMs and heat based weapons.
The advantage the ITO has is the G pull for the missiles it helps with maneuvering targets closer to the unit.
That being said after using the flakrad and the the pantsir I would take the pantsir over the flakrad. They ability to counter mutliple munitions fired and the extreme range increase of the pantisr make it a far more pleasant SPAA to use. Too many times I’ve sat watching an aircraft edge my range in a Flakrad where I knew had I been in my pantsir they would be dead. (I use the flakrad as an example cause same missile.)
Aswell at range I have been able to shoot down maneuvering F-16s trying to dodge my pantsir missiles. In the past it took 2-3 because of a bug causing the missile to go haywire on launch but that issue looks to be reaolved.
Yeah it’s actually quite funny, the VT1 is a much better missile down to even 1.5km sometimes, but the Pantsir missile is insanely better at long range, it keeps maneuverability up to 14km, while the VT1 can only hope to hit a maneuvering target up to 10km, if they actually fixed it i bet a lot less people will be complaining.
The crazy part is there’s an accepted report in too: VT1 range and g pull incorrect
So why is gaijin refusing to bring some balance to top tier CAS even now, i’ll let you guess.
Any top tier spaa, if you don’t move after spawning in a plane your a free kill, other than the Adats maybe.
G over load is extremely important, nor did I say the ito is exactly better than the pansir
Guns aren’t going to matter much unless a heli gun runs you.
They both fair pretty easily. I’ve seen flakrakrads love bombs. So it’s plenty survivable
I strongly beg to differ, pre aam nerf the pansir may have been better in long range g pull. Now adays, that is not the case
S1 is master at not moving. I ve seen many times these dudes stand in 1 damn place like any spaa but as i said s1 is just almost untouchable and shoot any munition.
I play A10C and its VERY different when flarakrad or s1 spawns
You didn’t get what I was saying. You fly any plane in, and stay flying straight, an aam will hit you.
Anyone that flies straight have skill issue. And that whats happening in russian teams. They dont have to make any manouvers they are still getting 6 kills but MAYBE die in a process
That doesnt happen in any other teams. Fly straight and die but without any kills
I know how important it is to move out. But almost all maps are simply very, very small. You can’t really move off very far.
Also these AA trucks are very high profile, maps aren’t designed for them and it results that you get shot by other ground units. Something will always stick out to be shot.
For S1 its more or less irrelevant. With TWS on screen radar brackets, very long range missiles, great thermals, K Band etc etc you have a great situational awareness. Western jets have rather weak ordnance and can’t outrange Pantsirs in a meaningful way. TWS also means S1 spots incoming ordnance much easier, add to this that everything is rather slow moving and it becomes hopeless. There are no western super fast air to ground missiles which are smoke immune and leave a 5m deep crater upon impact…nuking everything around.
T-14 too advanced for it to be in game
Only options would be
T-90M 2023 mod
Then Abram’s sepv3
Then 2A8
Adding the armata with the 2A8 and SEPV3 would literally be the equivalent of introducing typhoid to a coughing baby without a vaccine.
The armata would crush em
No crew in the turret
Better mobility
Better gun depression
Better armor
An APS
You could literally go hull down and can’t even be killed
The equivalent to the other 2 is literally only the 2023 mod of the T-90M
Armata is a abandoned project. It was cancelled. All these points you mention are not really valid. Instead it was decided to modernize existing depot tanks from long term storage and increase T-90 production. Which makes sense, cause T-14 couldn’t fullfill its expectations.
advance? advance in what? advance as in who disappear on the battlefield faster? or advance in that it cant be seen because its cancelled?
the copium is massive
probably better reverse
looking at the crew position this thing would have the equivalent of the 2s38 armor with ERA
i can see that its useful in some case but seeing how gaijin model ingame APS, doubt
same thing said for the AGS, you cant kill it hull down. To counter it, simply put “hello high explosive round looking good today aint it” or you can just breech them yk. This thing is just basically 2s38 without turret armor rack and use T-xx 125mm round
Also the Armata is cancelled, the project could not fufill the expectation as it was suppose to be better than the T-90s which ofc not, it was too expensive, too complicated, not enough armor + now that the T-90M has the Arena APS the APS on it is irrelevant, just another russian tank project that failed because the T-xx from Stalinium is just irreplaceable
Sounds like a very good suggestion we will be adding armata in few months -gayjin
Closest thing to that are the IR Hammers - which truly aren’t that bad against most pantsir players.
IR hammers are actually good because of the arching trajectory, you can’t shoot them down as effectively as Kh, but the time to target is higher so it’s easier to smoke.
Good thing Pantsirs don’t get smoke grenades…
Which ones are the Hammers? AARM 250 (SBU 64)?
From what I remember, yes.
Then call them that. Not everyone knows the nicknames of everything.