Remove Aim-54 aswell
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I agree. Nobody asked for the ER. The R-27R is more than good enough and would bring back some level of competitiveness with the Sparrow.
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Also remove AIM-7M and AIM-9M
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It pretty much has been. almost no one uses it compared to the R27ERs. either way, capability gap between the two are worlds apart.
AIM54=/=R27ER at all
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R-27ER is fine and not OP
it doesnt work to destroy planes at lower alt.
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This is what i am also saying with the aim7e vs r3r. This is how the pattern works in air battles. US dominates then Russia dominates. I would not be surprised to see the balance switch back to US domination sometime next year.
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aim 7m is a reskin of the aim 7f and aim 7f has been in game for a long ass time now
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difference is its a different kind of dominance. aim 7es are terrible missiles and are unreliable, same as any missile back then. recently weve started to get into missiles that arent unreliable and probably have a more than 50% chance to hit with any launch. r27ers are the best missile this game has ever seen and giving 6 of them to an amazing platform will assure dominance for longer than next year. early aim 120s get outperformed and outranged by the er, same for the r77. until the 120c5, the er with be the de facto best missile for a long time
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thats because gaijin has a radar blanket on anything below 50m AGL that they’ve said is purpose done to stop radar missiles from being too strong. and even then the R27 can still occasionally hit targets in it where other nations, while also having a non-zero chance, is magnitudes slimmer than the R27’s are
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yes but the 7Es also had issue hitting stuff in the first place. They were unreliable, didnt really hit anything past 12km without perfect conditions, and were pretty easy to defeat due to the AN/APG-120 being pretty atrocious on holding a lock when chaff is deployed.
The R27 dominates like no other radar missile has done in the past, nor will again after agile fox 3s come
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They were very good for the time. I remember while teams of f4s just controling the sky because they could smack anything that decided to climb up to get them
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The R-27ER was being used / tested on the Su-27 prior to it’s introduction to frontline units, it wasn’t a matter of being made capable of firing them… it always could. There is no reason to remove the primary armament of a plane.
For the same reason the MiG-29’s should all receive R-73s, the Su-27 should keep the R-27ER. There are better methods of balancing this, like giving the F-16C and F-15 the AIM-120.
Whatever BR changes need be made to accommodate all of this are up to how well the players use the vehicles. Efficiency determines all of this.
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early 120s had a similar range as the 7s kinematically so it helps allowing counterplay against the strengths of the R27s as well be being able to defend earlier since the radars on the SMT and SU27 are both able to lock at 90 degrees anyways
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i agree, but we’re not getting 120s for a few months. what do you suggest otherwise for balance?
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If that is the case, wait a couple months
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and just let the su 27 dominate for that entire time? not letting any other nations compete?
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They didnt remove aim7s until Russia had a counter. They had to wait like 1.8 years
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The Su-27 isn’t going to dominate unless you’re actively trying to die to an R-27. Just skim low and shoot AIM-9M’s at all the slow people doing the Cobra.
The F-15 is actually quite fitting to the meta, being able to zoom in and shoot AIM-9M’s at people while maintaining its’ speed. All these dogfighters are good in 1v1s… not so much in actual furballs.
I agree the Su-27 is the strongest thing in the patch due to the missile loadout of 6x R-73 (and also 4x R-27ER)… but the fact of the matter is the F-16 has been overperforming for over a year and you’ve now been promised fox-3s in just a couple months… please be patient. Gaijin has gone ahead and implemented the Su-27 with its’ full instability (and used instability bricking mouse aim as an excuse not to fix the F-16 this whole time)…
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" just let nato fight nato & dominate " how about no, as if they don’t have enough missile trucks and the most OP fighters in the game already
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wdym instability? as in its loses control easily in mouse aim, or that the airframe was designed to be unstable to allow for faster maneuverability?