yeah you went ad hominem even earlier, when you pointed out my lack of experience with spikes. look up what ad hominem means. it can be facts!
yeah I have said “vulnerability” is needed to guide bmp2 missiles. and that is true. you have to expose your turret (which blows up from anything 30mm and above). spikes do not need require this. exposing a small part is still being vulnerable, because of bmp’s fragility.
yeah you just don’t understand english, please stop coping.
sure ;)
Then… it’s a fact and thus not an ad hominem? Call it criticism of your argument borne out of your lack of experience, but not an hominem since it wasn’t an argument against you, should be easier to understand.
yeah I have said “vulnerability” is needed to guide bmp2 missiles. and that is true. you have to expose your turret (which blows up from anything 30mm and above). spikes do not need require this. exposing a small part is still being vulnerable, because of bmp’s fragility.
Right, so we’ve cleared up that you did not say “hide” anywhere, so by arguing superficially for a scenario where the vehicle is literally invisble, rather than one where it’s just “hiding”, i.e the one I introduced, you committed to a strawman.
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yeah you just don’t understand english, please stop coping.
Anybody who has gone through primary school can see what you were impliying at back there with your statement, gaslighting ain’t gonna help you here lad.
the jewish heli has like 16 of them, the sum of all CAS in top tier is cancer
This is in context of ground vehicles… like Namer, Puma, whatever other poor IFV has to suffer from Spikes.
Pretty sure they buffed their pen, and they usually target the drivers hatch in the T series tanks. They are better than before at least. The italian vehicle with 12 of them is pretty good
Going from “utterly useless” to “mostly utterly useless” ain’t that much better if you ask me. Granted, Freccia benefits the most from it, but that’s only because it has so many of them so it doesn’t have to “ration” them like everything else, afaik Namer has only four, Puma also has four, and Lynx has recently been nerfed to just two, iirc?
They should remove all FnF ammunition from this game, if not cas as a whole
the targeting still is botchy as heck
additionaly many ifv fnf launchers suffer under stiff launcher syndrom where u cant adjust the launch angle, resulting in a minimum engagement distance and general skewed targeting
I’ve been killed wayyy too many times at almost point blank range with them so I’m salty about that
The more advanced weapon systems get, the more imbalanced the game becomes, who would’ve thought.
Still remember when the best CAS for each nation was some variant of MiG-15 or G.91 or F.86, even though we already had 3rd gen MBTs in the game, lol.
its the same annoyance in every BR, top tier is just next level cas oppression
you don’t know what ad hominem means
that’s not how it works. you brought up my quality as one of the reasons why my take is bad. ad hominem.
let’s look at what i’ve said in the first place:
so now youre grasping at straws, because a quote does not have to be an exact copy paste. by saying “go behind a building” i meant “hide”. so no, we have not agreed upon the statement that I never meant “hide” anywhere.
grim. your comprehension of text is so weird: you see accusations against you everywhere… I’m sure more reddit spacing will help though
That’s why I’ve switched to playing DayZ, at least oppression there is universal :D
i doubt that happend from a kf41 and co
puma or freccia and namer maybe,
but definitly not kf41, vilkas, the new namers. those will fly straight over you
I’ve been playing rust but thats just as cancer. less boring than this game at least
Where did I bring up “your quality”? Do show me a screenshot.
so now youre grasping at straws
You wanna mention how you’ve taken these comments out of order, and failed to fetch one of mine, that you strawmanned? Or nah?
grim.
See, this is why I like this place, you can be accused of something, and when you call people out on things, they will try to gaslight you that they never said anything along the lines of what they actually did.
Add SLAM would be better
there.
and how does the order affect the matter?
you called me out on something only you “saw”. I said “Don’t act like spikes can’t kill tanks” because that is a common theme people mention in every discussion about spikes that I have seen. but you take it personally; you think I accuse you of pushing a take that spikes can’t kill tanks. do not blame others for your mental disposition.
Neither of them brings up “your quality” as neither mentions how you’re performing as a player which is what “quality” entails 99.9% of the time. You’re grasping at straws while also having a hard time understanding definitions, work on that.
and how does the order affect the matter?
Possibly… because it misrepresents the order in which things have been said, like…
My original position, and your distorted and dumbed down version of my position that you also mocked.
you called me out on something only you “saw”. I said “Don’t act like spikes can’t kill tanks” because that is a common theme people mention in every discussion about spikes that I have seen. but you take it personally; you think I accuse you of pushing a take that spikes can’t kill tanks. do not blame others for your mental disposition.
What others say in other threads about the Spike, what it can and cannot do, is irrelevant when the argument/accusation is aimed at me and specifically at me, not at others, as there was no mention of “other threads”. I suggest that you drop the special pleading, it really ain’t helping your case more than simply saying “my bad G” would, especially since you’re still insisting on me ‘having issues’ cause I didn’t just shrug off your accusation, which is ironic now that I think about it seeing as you’ve been finding “ad hominems” directed at you at each and every turn.
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they bring up my quality, as they regard how I play.
yeah your original position should have been made in a more stable mood. firstly you do a 180 on my vulnerability quote, secondly you have your own definition of hiding. which is different from mine. in my original position:
bmp2m has to show its turret to guide its missile, while spike carriers do not have to show anything for a prolonged period of time, hence the requirement of vulnerability that bmp2m has. my only mistake was thinking your definition of hiding aligned with mine - which is to actually cover completely behind something protective. so like i said, communication issue.
you really cannot consider someone not accusing you. you reject that idea right away, you call it gaslighting and stay put. as for the other threads, I just told you why I told you not to complain about spikes having a hard time with tanks.
well how can I not try to help you? god, you were being toxic from the start lol. you sound like an angsty teen, and sorry, the reddit quips and formatting do not help (so naturally I want to help a fellow war thunder player to get out of that pit). I started the discussion pretty light heartily with the copium thing. shame you’re too busy getting emotional and such about all of this
anyway it seems like you concede with your last words, however cringe they may be, so goodnight!