Remove KH38

The key difference between KH-38 (and now AASM or PGM) and a AGM-65 is the IOG.

To defeat an AGM-65, you pop smoke and the missile will loose the lock and self destruct. With the IOG you have to stop moving, smoke and start moving again to defeat the IOG. In some tanks this is easy, in others it is not.

Combine with the fact that the KH-38 is around twice as fast as the AGM-65, the amount of time you have to do this is halved. Add on the fact that the only nation that has any hope in actually contesting an Su-34 is the soviets with the Pantsir. The Whole situation just gets really muddy.

One of the Primary justifications they made about not adding FnF Brimstones was the lack of suffecient SPAA counter for them and then in the same update they added the Su-34 with 6x KH-38s (despite loads of complaints about the Su-25SM3 with them for ages) and since then you now also have the Rafale with slower but fairly equal weapons (IR+IOG AGMs) but does hold advantages over the Su-34 in compensation.

It is really frustrating the degree of imbalance.

In years past the balance was the soveits had the best SPAA and best Helis but the weakest fixed wing CAS. They now have the strongest of all 3 and no other nation has yet to get anything even close to the Pantsir.

IMO, what needs to be done is not a removal of KH-38, but a removal of IOG on ALL AGMs until such time every nation has an SPAA equal to or greater than the KH-38 and ideally the addition of equal FnF AGMs for all nations.

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I bet you’re so riled up because you’ve realized you’re having difficulties with a very powerful missile lol. no I don’t have any spike wielding vehicles, but I frequently view replays whenever I am killed with spikes, as I am simply baffled how gaijin allows that shit in game.

lol, sure. launch a kornet and go behind a building right away, i am sure it will hit the target with great success!

I’m gonna let you try to figure this one out by yourself ;)

where did I state that you did? get checked

so pretty much almost every map.

they kill or heavily influence helicopters that actually change the outcome of the match to an extent. also, the closest helipad is often 4km away from the middle of the map. you may use spikes as le last ditch effort but that is just you.

a noob will be bad with anything. simple enough

yeah, lets not be hypocritical and apply your logic here. you have no battles with it, therefore you do not know how difficult playing it is :D

make no mistake, I recognize and appreciate how you regret your wording - the edits you make are quite telling of your emotional disposition. keep it up

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Just confirming this, spikes ARE infact next to useless in CQC

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I think that began just about…

here.

that’s not a replay. that is a kill-cam. I view replays of the matches.

how? my take was - you can pop out, launch a spike, then hide. you told me that bmp2 can do the same with the same amount of success. communication issue?

I don’t see where I am accusing you of doing that. when you see a sign that says “do not smoke”, do you also think it accuses you of smoking? i can recommend a few good teachers, if you’d like their counseling.

yeah I actually talked about you removing some formatting that showed you were clearly upset. but I guess you’re following the advice I innately gave. which is - stop trying to hide your emotions.

Bruhathkayosaurus moment. Never knew stating a fact is ad hominem, I guess we learn something new everyday on the WT forum.

how? my take was - you can pop out, launch a spike, then hide. you told me that bmp2 can do the same with the same amount of success. communication issue?

Where. At no point did you say “hide”. Secondly, “hiding” doesn’t mean the vehicle must be literally removing itself from the LoS, it can mean that it’s ereasing its presence by hiding behind bushes, or exposing only a small part of itself.

I don’t see where I am accusing you of doing that.

“Don’t act like Spikes can’t kill tanks”
“I never said Spikes can’t kill tanks”

Mental gymnastics, honestly.

yeah I actually talked about you removing some formatting that showed you were clearly upset.

I didn’t remove anything, but m’kay, whatever makes you feel better.

yeah you went ad hominem even earlier, when you pointed out my lack of experience with spikes. look up what ad hominem means. it can be facts!

yeah I have said “vulnerability” is needed to guide bmp2 missiles. and that is true. you have to expose your turret (which blows up from anything 30mm and above). spikes do not need require this. exposing a small part is still being vulnerable, because of bmp’s fragility.

yeah you just don’t understand english, please stop coping.

sure ;)

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Then… it’s a fact and thus not an ad hominem? Call it criticism of your argument borne out of your lack of experience, but not an hominem since it wasn’t an argument against you, should be easier to understand.

yeah I have said “vulnerability” is needed to guide bmp2 missiles. and that is true. you have to expose your turret (which blows up from anything 30mm and above). spikes do not need require this. exposing a small part is still being vulnerable, because of bmp’s fragility.

Right, so we’ve cleared up that you did not say “hide” anywhere, so by arguing superficially for a scenario where the vehicle is literally invisble, rather than one where it’s just “hiding”, i.e the one I introduced, you committed to a strawman.

;)

yeah you just don’t understand english, please stop coping.

Anybody who has gone through primary school can see what you were impliying at back there with your statement, gaslighting ain’t gonna help you here lad.

the jewish heli has like 16 of them, the sum of all CAS in top tier is cancer

This is in context of ground vehicles… like Namer, Puma, whatever other poor IFV has to suffer from Spikes.

Pretty sure they buffed their pen, and they usually target the drivers hatch in the T series tanks. They are better than before at least. The italian vehicle with 12 of them is pretty good

Going from “utterly useless” to “mostly utterly useless” ain’t that much better if you ask me. Granted, Freccia benefits the most from it, but that’s only because it has so many of them so it doesn’t have to “ration” them like everything else, afaik Namer has only four, Puma also has four, and Lynx has recently been nerfed to just two, iirc?

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They should remove all FnF ammunition from this game, if not cas as a whole

the targeting still is botchy as heck

additionaly many ifv fnf launchers suffer under stiff launcher syndrom where u cant adjust the launch angle, resulting in a minimum engagement distance and general skewed targeting

I’ve been killed wayyy too many times at almost point blank range with them so I’m salty about that

The more advanced weapon systems get, the more imbalanced the game becomes, who would’ve thought.

Still remember when the best CAS for each nation was some variant of MiG-15 or G.91 or F.86, even though we already had 3rd gen MBTs in the game, lol.

its the same annoyance in every BR, top tier is just next level cas oppression

you don’t know what ad hominem means

that’s not how it works. you brought up my quality as one of the reasons why my take is bad. ad hominem.

let’s look at what i’ve said in the first place:

so now youre grasping at straws, because a quote does not have to be an exact copy paste. by saying “go behind a building” i meant “hide”. so no, we have not agreed upon the statement that I never meant “hide” anywhere.

grim. your comprehension of text is so weird: you see accusations against you everywhere… I’m sure more reddit spacing will help though

That’s why I’ve switched to playing DayZ, at least oppression there is universal :D

i doubt that happend from a kf41 and co

puma or freccia and namer maybe,

but definitly not kf41, vilkas, the new namers. those will fly straight over you

I’ve been playing rust but thats just as cancer. less boring than this game at least