Remove Abrams from china

@racimazzedine
Stop politicizing the game.
I don’t want politics in this game, let alone yours.

China has a tech tree: “China”
ROC vehicles deserve to be where they belong, not as some sub-tree for another tech tree.

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i am not ? when i see china in the game, its clearly CCP china and not ROC china

there 0 politics here yet here you are.

@racimazzedine
The English translation of War Thunder says “China”, nothing else.

There is no other tag for it in English.

So unless you have a mod changing the name for you, or there’s a localization issue in another language, there is no other name.

There is no “PRC” tech tree, there is no “ROC” tech tree, there is no “1930s Germany” tech tree, there is no “DDR” tech tree.

There is only “China”, there is only “Germany”.

The only sub-trees in China are the new ones announced this year, there haven’t been sub-trees in China before 2025.

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I wouldn’t even say Pakistan. The Chinese community said that they want more domestic vehicle’s. And there is quite a lot theat Gaijin could add instead of the M1A2T. Im not against Pakistani stuff for China, its just the fact that the Chinese community said what they said.

its not some stuff, its more than 15 different unique ground and 8 different top tier plane.
pakistan is just here to fill early cold war. even exports can come to the tree, take exemple of the brits chalenge 3 or 2 E that only here to fill the gab.

I dont think youve played ground sim then…

For starters people dont really use IFF they just shoot first and ask questions never. Ive died many times because people either dont know about IFF, how to identify vehicles, or just dont care and kill on sight.

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there is china and there is taiwan. 2 different country. 2 different sides. 2 different view. i dont think its the same, leaving political side as i am none of them.

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@racimazzedine
The following is a linguistic explanation:
Use their real names if you’re going to specify “Republic of China” or “People’s Republic of China”, because “China” is not the name of any specific country, it’s a linguistic tool…
“China” is a word that can be used to mean both, or either, or neither depending on context.

China as a region, China as a people, China as either or both Chinas.

The word “Taiwan” has been weaponized to oppose ROC vehicles into their rightful tech tree; so I don’t use “Taiwan” because they have a name they call themselves that hasn’t been weaponized on the forum.

It’d be the same as saying “East Germany” and opposing DDR vehicles into Germany… like, there’s no reason to.

The Chinese tech tree is not a nation, it’s a tech tree that hosts national vehicles.
The German tech tree is not a nation, it’s a tech tree that hosts national vehicles.

And before someone says “but the flags”, they’re customizable now.
The Bangladeshi flag doesn’t make the Chinese tech tree Bangladesh…

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well i see that i dont want politcs didnt last long.

ok they got name so what, its the game we are talking here. ROC sub tree can be placed to help other tree that have more struggle. there is no need to top tier Roc to come to the game as we know CCP is far more capable. so yeah i update my opinion.

remove all ROC vehicles from 10.0 and above.

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@racimazzedine
No, Chinese vehicles should remain in the Chinese tech tree where they belong.

China should never be a sub-tree in any tech tree, and already is a tech tree.

And I’ll keep opposing politics in gaming.

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I guess the point is it should be in American TT since IRL it’s with Taiwan. Consequently, IRL the M1A2T would be fighting on the same team as USA Abrams’. Therefore, it should be in USA tech tree, so that it is on the same team as USA, like IRL.

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@vKALiBUR
No, because China is already a tech tree.
ROC vehicles should go into their tech tree, not become a sub-tree for another tech tree.

It’s like demanding DDR vehicles be removed from the German tech tree and moved to USSR…

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No it’s not, because those vehicles in DDR are on USSR teams at their respective BR’s in Sim battles

German tech tree opposes USSR on both ground sim configurations.

fair. Still the ROC is not the same as China.

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Cool. Point out the the 2A4M and M1A1 AIM the British already have.

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First they came for the Sherman.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Rank 2 & 3 US player.

Then they came for the Stuart, the Chaffee, and the Bulldog.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a US light tank player.

Then they came for the GMC’s and SPG’s.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a US GMC and SPG player.

Then they came for the Patton.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Patton player.

Then they came for the Abrams.
And there was no one left.
To speak out for me.

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isnt the OES leaving sale?

ill happily trade the bishima for australia and most of us would too.

PRC china is the main tree ROC Taiwan is subtree

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Ngl that’s an amazing poem.