You re right about the 12.3…planes like the phantom s and j are actually worse than those 11.7. They are one trick ponies, they either get you with their aim7 or they re done.
I dont agree about mig23 because all aspect missiles are common from 11.0 and above, and since the radar nerf mig23 cannot toggle mti on at will, thus rendering those missiles way less dangerous than what they used to be. If you fly higher than a mig23, its radar will stay in src mode so you can just chaff it. Still a very good plane obviously, but not to the point of being problematic.
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11.0 aircraft are only MIG21BIS, SU17/22, J7D/E, Kfir Canard. The MIG21BIS and SU17/22 have All Aspect IR AAM, while the J7D/E and Kfir Canard have only Rear Aspect IR AAM.
The 11.3 F5E only has 2 bad AIM9J/P, which is pretty much the worst weapon. The Tornado IDS have two AIM9Ls, but you can’t beat the MIG23 in a battle of advantage, and the MIG23 can even fly faster than you. The Phantom FG1/FGR2’s radar and weapons are well balanced, with four Aim9Gs and four Skyflash, its only problem is that each weapon is worse than the MIG23’s, and it faces the same problems as the Tornado when entering from an advantage position. The Sea Harrier FRS1 and AV-8S have four AIM9Ls, but you can’t go supersonic. Jaguar IS equipped with two Magic 2s, but otherwise has no merit. The AMXA1A has two MAA1s, but it can’t go supersonic. The JA37C’s radar is better than the Phantom FG1’s with only slightly fewer missiles, but I don’t think it has a chance of beating anyone in a dog fight, and its poor speed loss makes me reluctant to use it again. The ASJ37 has 4 AIM9Ls and 2 AIM9Ps, but if you want to carry countermeasures you have to reduce the number of AIM9Ls by 1-2. The F111C has four AIM9Ls, and I think it’s the second aircraft in this class after the MIG23. If you don’t turn, almost no one can beat you. Kfir C2 I’m not familiar with this plane.
Kfir is very good, i have the premium one and it flies incredibly well. In the 11.0 and 11.3 range I believe that mig23, kfir, f5 and ja37c are the best planes. They re all more or less on the same level, each with advantages and disadvantages.
Oh and i was forgetting… The F14B and the IRIAF must be movbed up in br. They are too good to stay below 13.0. Those are really broken at their br, with too much of an advandage compared to their enemies
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The F-14B is about the worst 13.0 after the Belgian F-16A and the FA2 and you want to move it up?
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Lmao. How?? Especially the F-14B. You must want buffs for them considering they’re not going anywhere without at least 2 buffs apiece.
It’s not 13.0 right now, but it should be, at the very least. F14B and F14 IRIAF right now can bully everyone when 12.7 is top tier, because they can sling fox3 to planes that only carry 2 fox1. The IRIAF in particular, after the fakour it still has 2 r27 and 2 ir missiles. Imho it’s much stronger than even the 13.0 F-16 ADF, and you usually see it reflected in game. F14 can easily get lots of kills and it ruins the game because it’s the only plane with fox3.
F14B and IRIAF should go to 13.3 in my opinion. They are equivalent to the premium viggen, which also should go up following the reasoning of my first post.
Have fox 3? Then your br should be at least 13.3. Imho: bad plane with fox3=13.3 Decent plane with fox3=13.7 Great plane with fox 3=14.0. So you can have lobbies up to 13.0 where nobody has fox3, allowing for different styles of gameplay.
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This logic is hilarious. How in the world do you expect them to compete at 13.3 without any buffs? The Phoenix is the worst ARH in the entire game by a long shot, and the Fakour is only good because it’s big and fast. Again, unless you’re advocating for the F-14s to get some really good buffs, you’re expectations are baseless.
Lately, I’ve been playing mostly 13.0 since I’m stock grinding the su-27 and the F-15J + finishing the rafale with the F-16A or the 12.3 mirage2k.
Since I get uptiered about 85% of the time I now abandon the match before spawning if I see any 13.7-14.0 jet.
Whenever I play those uptiers they often end up with the few 13.7-14.0 players racking all the kills when everyone else acts as RP pinatas. Imagine joining a game where 20 people just participate for 8 of them to have a good time. Sorry but nahh…
I have to deal with crew locks often but I also have like 8 crews of 13.0 ready to go and a bunch more of 12.7 and if all else fails I just take my typhoon and join the chaos
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I see your point of view. F14 is hard to balance. Its not good enough to face better planes, but if put in a lobby where it is the only fox3 carrier it will dominate the game. So I see where you’re coming from. Personally, I would like to have access to fox1 only lobbies, so i’d rather see it struggling at higher br than dominating at a lower br. Sometimes there isnt a perfect choice and this is one of those times, no matter where you put it, it’s unbalanced.
There are a lots of planes around these BRs that are impossible to properly balance due to BR compression.
The fakour spammers are completely broken and ruin lots of matches but they aren’t really 13.0 material. Still I would rather they be 13.0 for now if gaijin doesn’t care about decompressing anything else.
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How about this. You join the group of people advocating for F-14 buffs. The F-14 is a very incomplete aircraft at the moment. If it got it’s actual stats, the F-14A could easily be 13.0-13.3, and the IRIAF and F-14B could easily be 13.7. That way, the F-14s almost never see non-fox3 jets, and the tomcat pilots get to have their jet be in a great and accurate spot.
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I would 100% agree with it.
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I do agree it’s a weird position. It’s one of the earliest versions of the F-14A with one of the best “versions” of the Phoenix missile. I think giving them R-73s or 6x Fakours and sending it up to 13.0 would be better than it stay where it’s at for now.
Yeah. Right now playing red team at 12.7 is very hard because of it. Players with the f14 can easily dominate lobbies, especially if france is also on blue side.
With that loadout, it would be in the current 13.3 territory. It could be 13.0 as is if it had a better RWR and more countermeasures. But the lack of those is what most hurts the plane.
It has very strong offensive capabilities, the fastest fox3 missiles that can even work at medium ranges on contrary to the phoenix that doesn’t get fast enough at closer ranges. Then it has the 2nd best active radar missiles after the R-27ER
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I love the Persian tomcat but it will be kinda shit if it got r73s as the rwr and 60 small countermeasures really let you down, however you could totally give it 6 fakours and the fater (Iranian aim9L) and make it 13.0.
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if F-14A IRIAF is armed with 6x Fakour, it can’t be lower than 13.3.
R-73 might be less of a problem compared to 2x extra Fakour, Still it might be a problem as long as F-14B only has AIM-9L which isn’t with IRCCM.
the f14b should definitely receive aim9m, but it has better engines, radar warning receiver and bol pods, I don’t think 2 more fakours would be a huge problem for 13.0 as they’re not really good under 6 miles because they’re so fucking big. I think both could sit at 13.0 with the Iranian one receiving 6 arh and 2 fater (Iranian aim9L copy) as it would be basically a sitting duck at any altitude. It should not receive r73 however as that would increase the br too significantly.
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The phoenix is only good against zombers and noobs. People keep yelling “It HaS FoX 3s”, disregarding the fact that its a freaking 17G missile that will only work at high altitude or if you are flying in a straight line… Meanwhile they are perfectly fine facing the borderline cheat of a missile that is the 27ER (lock, fire, unlock, guide with datalink, then lock at the last few seconds again) which cant even be notched reliably and in certain scenarios even outranges the phoenix… Or the IRCCM missiles like the magic 2 that 12.0 jets access to (used to be 11.3 or 11.7 if you remember)… But no, its the flying fridge that maneuvers like a bus, which by the time it reaches you is barely fast enough to be considered a missile, that bothers people… Lets see how the F14A is doing at 12.7… Other than the 54A, it has the privilege to use AIM 9H’s rear aspect only, 60 countermeasures that dont really do anything since the only biggest heat signature in the game, is the sun itself… A radar that “for balancing reasons” has huge notch angles as well as the almighty sparrow that might work on a head-on, but it is just as likely to do a 90 degree turn and chase a seagull… But hey, at least the 11.3 jets will have an easier time afk grinding… But hold on, it surely cant get any worse right? How about the F14B? It gets engines that accelerate better, an RWR that has the courtesy of providing some info, and even a camera to help you identify players from long range!!! Scratch that last one… Its patched out… at 13.0 we are blessed by gaijin with an all aspect IR missile, the AIM-9L which is slightly more effective than an R60MK… The blessings dont stop here as we get access to the AIM-54C which in game, is just a heavier AIM-54A… A downgrade in nearly all scenarios… Almost forgot about the bol pods… Do I need to talk about what weapons this plane is expected to face? Im happy I got to play the 14b before all the bs changes. The IRIAF tomcat is singlehandedly responsible for putting the tech tree 14’s into an early grave.
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ah, good old days when F-14A was
- facing planes with no countermeasures
- or planes with no RWR
- and using one-and-only fox-3 in this game.
F-14A USN was one of the biggest and most problematic plagues in this game.
F-14A itself is having a hard time and tasting its own medicine though.
You are disregarding facts that F-14A was the first proper 4th-gen fighter which came out 3 months earlier than Mirage 2000CS-5, and 6 months earlier than the rest of first-wave 4th gen.
And AIM-54A came out 2 years earlier than other fox-3.
Yes. AIM-54A/C itself is an awful missile compared to the rest of its counterparts which comes out at two-friggin-years later. it is worst Fox-3 in this game too.
I really love the moment that Tomcatpadders regards the fact that Phoenix sucks while disregarding the fact that they came out when the game itself isn’t ready for it.
Even though non-IRCCM missiles act awful on higher BR matches, AIM-9L is significantly more effective than R-60M.
Good old days when you padded your stat with noobs who even can’t read RWR. right?
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