Catch 22 yet again
Same I have some ideas but I’ll wait to see if they’re confirmed.
Yeah same here on the event it was really fun
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I think the main concern for a new top french BB now is the breaking of the ‘the vessel needs to have at least been laid down’ “rule”. That all ship additions have functioned under up to this point.
Part of me thinks that could be a bit of a slippery slope seeing how some current ‘unfinished’ ships got introduced (like Amagi coming in its original plan layout instead of final design, along with other inaccuracies)
On the other hand, if we do go more ‘paper’ with naval additions. Then my copium stocks in the Japanse BC B-65 will go through the roof
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He should have, yes.
TBF, Goalpost moving has been a thing since day one
to squeeze money out of whats left obviously have you seen the way they absolutely butchered the GNIESNAU its .3 higher the orginal with toptier guns and same armor genuinely mind numbly bad decisions are what make naval naval
not to mention how top tier 8.7 matches are just US vs USSR
and america just gets to roll in it every update with the best ships in game at every br that actually matters
Cause any other BB has no chance. You can’t sink those ships in any realistic ingame way, while they light you up with a simple barbette hit. Its just so braindead horribad and unbalanced that I gave it up. I don’t play cruisers or BBs.
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the only exception being yamato which can loose in a 1v1 to a colorado
So, when are you going to announce vehicles we actually care about. You know, planes, tanks, that sorta stuff? Because right now, this update is just going to elongate my vacation.
Sevastopol which is 7.3:
Granted, Sevastopol has garbage for armor.
Not a single ship in Warthunder should be able to even resist Yamato’s guns at most ranges. Hell, she couldn’t even resist her own guns under 20km.
Guess which two ships can in Warthunder, one requires pixel hunting while also being able to instantly kill her with stock shells at 17km+?
Yamato in warthunder can lose to even 35.6cms, which it’d be literally impervious to in real life.
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You mean things you care about. The self entitlement is wild.
got in a duel against Yamato sub 9km with Richelieu and won
The tiger P syndrome is just too much. Opponent was smart too, his ammoracks were pretty empty
Eventually sunk a few minutes later to “unsinkability lost” (one of my favourite)
Richelieu should be waterline penetration at effectively any range for Yammy but I’d need to look - I don’t remember but French battleships post Paris are generally made of glass.
Richelieu has more-or-less the same level of protection as Iowa.
330mm v 305mm at the waterline
Goddess Help Us
Dunkerque is a bit fragile but it can work (225mm on the belt)
Richelieu is quite well armored for a relatively small Batttleship
Angled main belt at 320mm + angled armored plate at 50mm + anti-torp armor of 50mm
Front bulkhead varies from 165 to 355mm, the 165mm being the obvious weak point, but not easy to hit.
Since all guns are on front you can also abuse angling. Pretty solid ship overall imo
Looking at armor viewer and setting to sub 9km, you can straight up nuke a Richelieu aiming just in front of turret 1 if she’s angled.
Alternatively just aim barbettes as close to the deck. I’d have to actually test in live environment because I genuinely don’t trust armor viewer.
They are going to make it premium bro. For the H39 arrival
Obviously. Given the cryptic messages of the mods, the way I see it, there are two or three possibilities :
Either Gaijin is going for the Alsace battleship. In this case, whatever they choose will be filled with speculative elements. Even with the 2018 Potsdam archives, the very few elements we know about the Alsace battleship are insufficient to make a true, historical battleship out of it. So they’ll arbitrarily decide the dispersion, reload, etc… and it obviously won’t be satisfactory.
Or : Gaijin goes full Cold War and implements the first cold war missile warships here, starting at 9.0. Most likely the Suffren frigate… in which case it’s a whole other problem.
Last but not least, France did work on 450mm (17.7") guns in the immediate post WW1… this was cancelled with the Washington treaty in 1921, but they could have exhumed some battleship plans I’m not familiar with with this guns… but this is highly unlikely.
The thing about this angle that I find quite funny is that most missiles (and thus missile ships) won’t be able to actually deal with battleships.
Ships cannot be mission killed in game, and large HE warheads do very little damage to the armour we see at 8.7.
The “paper” route I find more plausible. But that’s going to open a door to questionable gun performance, shell stats, and internal module layout. Especially if the bound for what counts as a proper “paper” design aren’t defined.
In its extremes, Kaneda’s 500kt monstrocity could be a valid paper design.
I’m not too doom and gloom about what might happen, but I suspect it might be a pretty bold choice.
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More importantly it won’t fix anything.
US, Japanese and USSR ships will still be better than the rest (The 2 first because they prioritized their navies and could come up with bigger designs, even paper ones, the last one because Sovetsky Soyuz)
So we’ll end up with the same balancing issues, except instead of having real and iconic battleships being somewhat on top (except for Soyuz, which isn’t iconic), it will be paper designs
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Well said. Instead of Iowa-Yamato, we’ll have Montana-A150 but it basically will be the same thing.
Beyond that, what I find annoying with the decision to go full paper ships is that it rewards overly optimistic, unreasonable (even perhaps state propaganda) ship concepts that would most likely never have seen the light of day, (not in their ideal form anyway), to the detriment of nations with a certain experience in ship building, that approached their future warships with a much more rational, cool headed logic.
Very few nations had the means to think big, and if we can reasonably assume a Montana could have been built according to specs, nothing is less sure with some other designs, most notably ones that involve untested weapons, absurd armor thickness, insane reloads, etc.
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