Eh. Better to add as few missiles to airframes that never used them as possible in this day and age. Plus, my version still has an AIM-120-armed F-14 and a TT version of the prem, so no unique gameplay is locked behind a paywall similar to the early F-18 situation with 7Ps…
Also, copy-paste premiums are healthiest for the game but I’m not sure a large chunk of the playerbase is ready for that conversation yet.
F-14D retired it 2006, it definitely used AIM-9Ms and AIM-7Ps
Yes that’s the best imo for adding amraams to F-14. All I’m saying is we don’t need the premium one to be a good one, since they seemingly want it to be that then let them make it that. But the tech tree one must be cool
I’m ready for that conversation because I agree :D
The premium F-16AM is imo one of the best things that could have happened, it gives us hope that we won’t get a unique plane behind paywall anytime soon (for France)
Fair enough, lol. I’ll admit that the squadron version might be a bit optimistic, but then again, with the amount of people who GE squadron vehicles… It’d still make Gaijin a fair bit of money while not relying on FOMO/excessive grind for free players.
Let’s say they really wanted to make the best version premium for the money. Seriously …
It’s more concerning that they got EVERYTHING wrong, they even…buffed the engines . It has armament it shouldn’t have…because there was no 54C the time it came. There was only 54C ECCM/sealed, which is VERY DIFFERENT than 54C.
It is far more concerning that they…don’t even fix AIM-54s according to real data. While they accept the azzpull values that are CLAIMS, not official things of F90 as legit.
It is more concerning that they don’t give it even 9M…because it still has the supposed OP nerfed 54s that aren’t even according to 54 data.
And for all that work that they haven’t done because they are garbage company and lazy af or biased af , i don’t care , they ask you money for a premium plane.
And , it’s not that difficult to just make an APG-71 in the game , when you already have a craptone of PD radars like APG-70 etc. You just rename some files and change values… It’s not that it has ALL its modes or something unique it may had…
So yes, the most concerning for me is that their work has quality of toilet material (and not only for F-14 , it happens more than not in general lately) . Not that it is premium.
They could just do 14D TT, 14D(R) premium and NF-14D squad. They could even give the NF-14A that tested AMRAAMs with pictures in an event.
So no i don’t care what’s premium or not at this point.
I care that their quality is crap and they even dare to ask for money for that crap…
Basically regular F-14B with TF30s
NF-14D doesn’t have to be the best version, least not long term. F-14D with the software upgrade that was planned put in to the tech tree, where it belongs right next to the F-15C GE, could have the top of the line of missiles, with the NF-14D having one stage down.
So - for arguments sake, and the lack of 9X on aerial platforms, let’s say this premium, renamed NF-41D, sticks with AIM-9L’s, AIM-7M’s, but get’s access to the AIM-120B as an option besides the AIM-54’s, leaving an option for 14A-65 to run the the 120A’s which would be the most accurate to it, and then in the tech tree, you have the F-14D with the software upgrade that they shifted the funding for as the true ‘last stage’ of the Tomcat’s development around 2006 running 9M’s, 7P’s, and 120C-5’s (since that’s the most advanced C model in game, unless they want to give it the C7). Which also leaves the proper F-14D available for the tech tree with the improved AIM-54C, and the Rebuild D’s can become a squadron vehicle or the like (alongside possibly 14A-65, but something like that feels like an event vehicle like the XF5U).
Not knowing if the 14D(R)'s had any model differences that they can’t be copy pasted from either the D or A model, at that point - you’ve got the money put in to developing the F-14D model for the game and all, NF-14D with AMRAAM’s is likely going to sell more than base 14D just because of performance, let alone if people rebel and actually boycott it, and you can literally copy and paste that model for the software upgrade and toss the new missiles on, which if it doesn’t further encourage the sales might generate some income on people throwing GE at it to get to the better missiles and all faster, similar story with the F-14D, but also having the F-14D(R) as the squadron vehicle with whichever version of AIM-54 they want could generate further sales in people buying GE to get it now instead of at best like 2-3 months from now. While still leaving open further copy/paste in the original F-14A+ as a possible lower BR premium (granted it might be slightly better than the tech tree A cause of the engines) and the 14A-65 as an event vehicle most likely, if not a squadron vehicle, which as a premium and event vehicle respectively allows them to generate even more money with lower production cost off both vehicles for a higher profit margin.
AMRAAM tomcat will sell a lot more, they can then more cheaply throw the real F-14D and the software patch one in to the tech tree at significantly lower costs, and generate a squadron vehicle - of which those last 3 will generate some income though not as much as the NF-14D, but all of which will likely help encourage the purchase of the NF-14D. They get the money they want, we get the Tomcat’s we want with the capabilities they had/we want based on what could and should have been, everyone wins.
…Giving practically all of them AMRAAMs just stinks, though. There’s no need to make the air portion of the game even more of an unhistorical mess willfully :/ F-14A-65-GR should be the only one to use them, just like reality, and most if not all variants of the F-14D shouldn’t have to suffer to run their historically accurate loadout at a higher BR because of AMRAAM meta-adherents…
It would work better if there were two versions of it, with the Tech Tree variant carrying the AIM-120s. While this wouldn’t be entirely historically accurate, many players would likely enjoy it much more.
There are already aircraft in the game that use missiles they never historically carried, so implementing something like this should be straightforward. There’s no need to overcomplicate the issue.
Giving the F-14D AMRAAMs is overcomplicating the issue, given it’s letting Gaijin get away with the AIM-54’s current state and lack of the AIM-54C+. It’s a bandaid fix for a problem that should not exist, and wishful thinking for an aircraft that doesn’t need those missiles.
I don’t believe the IRIAF should keep the R-27s either, they should be replaced with the R-73s that were actually successfully tested by the Iranian air force.
I’m not talking about giving them all AMRAAM’s. The 14A-65, which historically had them, if the other guy was right that NF-14D’s were running AMRAAM’s - then that would again be correct, the only one that would be ‘a-historical’ would be the Tomcat with the software upgrade - but that was literally a planned thing they were gonna do, but decided to put the money in to LANTIRN with everything that was going on. Something they fully had the intent on doing, like with the 15C GE - is a far cry from the a-historical mess that is Russian wonder weapons. Granted - I’m an arcade player so ‘reality’ is stretched a bit anyway, but given it is a game, treating ‘reality’ like absolute dogma is something that will, and in the past has, done more harm than good.
Also - the F-14D and F-14D(R) in what I propose, along with the F-14A+, are all running historical loadouts, and would have appropriate BR’s for said loadouts, the only ones that would deviate in the D category would be the NF-41D, and the proposed upgrade to carry AMRAAM’s - at which point yes, AMRAAM’s would raise those two planes BR’s, but I’d have to question why outside of stock grind maybe on the upgraded D (since NF-41D as a premium wouldn’t have that issue) you would be running that setup on those planes in the first place because that would be willingly choosing to nerf yourself? NF’s were navy testing and the upgrade was literally so it could take the newer AMRAAM over the AIM-54, if you want to run F-14D’s in historical configuration - then run the F-14D and D(R) which top out with the best version of the historical armaments. Trust me - I’m the guy right now vocal as hell that in Arcade the F-14’s need to move down in BR because they are getting wiped by all the ever increasing number of 13.3 and lower ARH spammers using AMRAAM’s, R-77’s, and other similar missiles because the AIM-54 can’t compete with them, and having AIM9’s and 7’s 1-2 stages lower than anything else at the BR is BS.
That’s fair, then. I’m just a little paranoid given I’ve seen so many people clamoring for the F-14D to not have a TT equivalent, and instead have the TT version be given AMRAAMs.
I suppose I wouldn’t oppose an additional higher TT/squadron equivalent with AMRAAMs, doubly so if it’s the F-14A-65-GR.
Why are you making the best concievable Tomcat a gimped premium (reskin of F-14B)?
Why not make this a squadron specific plane like the JA 37Di? Leave the last and best to the tree? I urge you to reconsider this.
Your asking us to sibmit evidence that the sky is blue. Gaijin designs a digital aircraft but doesnt know its actual armaments? Do they not have google at gaijin?
Which is fair - If I were a dev for this game, for me - it would break out like this.
F14A-65: Armed with older 9’s and 7’s, and AIM-120A’s as an event vehicle (maybe ‘Dreams Come True’ so that it too can be a premium and as it is a one off)
F-14A+/Late: Premium vehicle or Squadron vehicle on the level of the F-14A (same weapons, just the different engine and all)
F-14D: Tech Tree vehicle, better version of the AIM-54C, still likely on the same BR as the F-14B.
F-14D(R): Squadron vehicle, same as the F-14D, other than maybe having the other version of the AIM-54C upgrades (likely the lesser version), and any other limitations the rebuilds may have had.
NF-14D: The current pre-order premium, but with AIM-120B AMRAAM’s.
F-14D (Software upgrade): Tech tree variant with 9m, 7P, and 120C-5, the pinnacle of what the Tomcat would have been had it gotten the upgrade without outside interference in the F-14 at all.
So - all the primary versions of the F-14, other than the A+ when they changed to the GE engines, are in the tech tree - plus the ‘what if’ version where it gets the AMRAAM software patch, The D(R) - being A/B frames rebuilt to D standards, becomes a squadron vehicle. The 14A-65 becomes an event vehicle because it’s a one off with AMRAAM’s, the NF-41D becomes the premium with AMRAAM’s that it might have had (again I can’t confirm that, don’t have that info personally), and the A+ becomes either a premium of lower BR (excellent for helping new players who go ‘oo shiny and skips tech tree’ actually learn to use ARH missiles) or a squadron vehicle.
This isn’t some scenario where we can only have a Tomcat with AMRAAM or without, premium only or tech tree only, we can literally have both in tech tree and premium/squadron/event forms, with AMRAAM’s and without. Without going in to crazy fantasy land, all of them did happen or were actually funded then plan changed - but still even had a proof of concept to go off of. If I had money to bet - I’d wager there’s at least someone out there, likely in Arcade battles where we can use as many planes as we have crews plus backups, that there is someone out there who would go ‘yes, I want to run 8x Tomcats (9 if they have the Iranian one) in my lineup’.
Makes a lot more sense, I wish I had enough faith in Gaijin for this outcome to seem likely…
So, no 9m, no 7P, no 54C+. Lol
Essentially a re-skinned premium F14B with better radar and better engines. What a joke Gaijin. Absolutely wonderul job 👏
No better engines the guys on the live stream where just wrong
Same - but, that’s why I also mentioned the sales possibilities improving with changes to this planes armament and name, as well as the possibilities for bolstering sales off copy/paste vehicles of it that could generate possibly smaller amounts of overall income but still better on profit margins than full new vehicle, as well as alternatives of others that would also copy off existing work they’ve done for even higher profits due to low cost of production of them since they are based on existing models.
Because they are a business, and sometimes, the best way to help us, is to point out the way they can possibly make more money off us while getting what we want.
9M！7P！54C！
The su 30SM 2 has the best cas weapon with the hypothetical kh38MT
It is the only thrust vectoring aircraft family we have in game
It carries one of the best AAM with the R 77 1
It has an insane Radar that can track tragets while notching rather well
And it gets long range IR seeking AAM aswell
This is not gold enough for you ?