USS Trump?
I keed. I keed.
But I wouldn’t put it past Gaijin.
Please write me a five paragraph essay explaining why Montana is going to be in War Thunder with proper MLA citations to continue this conversation.
Personally, I want to see pre-dreadnoughts because they look cool, but I already don’t like the situation we have right now with ships which have no chance to cause damage being matched with ships several times their size and protection. I was playing the new 5.0 (HE-only) German destroyer the other day and I had a Westfalen in the same game as me because it’s a 6.0 battleship. The west truly has fallen.
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No.
By the developers’ own words, Montana fits the criteria for being added to Warthunder.
Incorrect. No battleship currently in game is more fantastical then a hypothetical addition of a Montana class battleship would be.
All three of the big Soviets (Kron, Stalin, Soyuz) were actually laid down, and while you might’ve heard that the Kron’s 305’s are historically innaccurate, that is not entirely true. They were supposed to fitted with those guns but development was so slow the Soviets bought German 380’s instead.
Ersatz Yorck was equally laid down but never finished
Clemenceau had the same fate (Of the 4 Richelieu’s, only Gascogne was never actually laid down)
And the same goes for Sachsen, Mackensen, Amagi, Tosa, Francesco Carraciolo, and Izmail, who were all far further into construction.
A matter of many years, at best
Matter of fact is that the German H-39’s and British Lions have more chance of getting into this game then the Montana class does, since they were actually laid down.
And beyond that, the US already has one of the best end-of-line battleships in the Iowa, of which a further five can be added. Not to mention we’re still missing three South Dakotas, both North Carolinas, the 1920 South Dakotas, and the Lexington if she were finished as a battlecruiser.
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HMS Lion and H39 will be added eventually as well.
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I think one of the very few exceptions to the rule of it being added is Shinano. As I think a dev stated she would not be added in her Battleship configuration.
Montana does not fit that criteria.
The criteria is to have been laid down, and it has never changed.
Notice that this very specifically says “is therefore a valid vehicle to be suggested.”
“To be suggested”, not “to be added to the game”.
As for why the suggestion forum has a different rule from that of the game, I have not got a clue, but as it stands Montana cannot be added.
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Montana does fit the criteria to be added.
A150 only ever had a 51cm prototype built. It is the single most incomplete ship that meets the criteria to be in the game.
There is an official developer response (somewhere, either in news section/developer’s blog or on the forums) that even states as such.
Tanks and aircraft have different criteria because there’s so many of 'em. Ships do not have that luxury because if we went solely with ships completed, Russia would be a barren wasteland, as would Germany, France and Italy. (Especially in the battleship sections of the techtree)
It is not in the game. It was passed for consideration, and I honestly do not understand why it was anyway since it genuinely does not fit the criteria Gaijin stated themselves, but I digress.
Consideration does not equal “will be added to the game” in the slighest. It just means the suggestion moderators forwarded it to the development team, but the development team has every liberty to discard considerations. We just never get told if/when that happens.
I suspect roughly 33% to 50% of all vehicles passed for consideration will never see the light of day in this game.
You are correct on the Soviets, but these three did have plenty of actual large capital ships in service. More then enough to create a serious top layer of ships in game.
Yet.
A serious layer of free RP for Iowa and SoDak, maybe… Which they currently are.
The requirements for ships being added are vastly different from requirements for tanks and aircraft.
Oh, dunno, seems pretty clear to me
Yeah and so does this
Didn’t you just say the rules are different between tanks and ships?
That is a rule for tanks, not for ships
I got it literally from the same post you got yours
A-150 also does not fit the criteria to be added to the game, only to be suggested.
This is what the suggestion mod said on A-150’s page. Once again, note that it says “A-150 becomes a valid suggestion to be made.” A suggestion, not an addition to the game.
I believe the original statements by the devs on the matter was on the old forums. I know there’s a way to download an archive of the old forums but I don’t have it with me.
I think a tech mod also clarified this already, but I cannot remember whether it was in this forum or outside of it. You could probably ask them for clarification on this matter.
I really wish they wouldn’t apply this logic to ships honestly. Because if “just a part” is enough then, oh boy, prepare for a whole Mariana Trench of worms
This quote is for the suggestion forums. I guess the confusion is that both the suggestion forums’ rules and the implementation rules both share the requirement that the hull needs to be laid down, but the suggestion forums also give you the option of submitting a non laid down ship if a specific part was built (which isn’t valid for actual implementation in the game).
In any case, we don’t have any proper precedent for adding ships that weren’t laid down.
The closest would be the Type 5 boat but that’s more because they modeled the wrong one.
In the same vein, I don’t think they will implement preliminary designs just because they messed up Amagi’s implementation (we got the preliminary design instead of the final one).
Getting the preliminary design F for North Carolina would be very funny though, and hopefully it never gets added.
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Cue the “Holy Jesus, what is that-” audio
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I wonder if this means we might see the likes of the Minotaur Class for Britain, since it was supposed to be equipped with a new design of turret for it’s 6-inch guns, which were eventually fitted to the two Tigers, but only after that had been intended for the Mino’s.
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We’ll probably see the Tigers too.
Only thing I’m looking for in the British naval tree is the Lion tbh.
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Already got my favorite light cruiser (Dido)
