Possibility for new top tier russian rounds?

[Sternlos]

I don’t think any nation has on average better or worse player.

This is an English speaking forum, and its not hard to see most people here play US as their main tree. And its not really something you can expect everyone to have multiple trees ground out past ww2 BRs, taken me thousands of hours just to finish Russia/German air and ground, and I’m just now finishing Russia, 2 tanks left, + spading and playing some I have unlocked. So its hard for most people to actually get multiple perspectives on trees. Actually hard is a too soft a word its pretty much impossible to expect your average player to.

The war has done nothing but pump insane amounts of anti Russian propaganda everywhere in the west, and add that on top of Americans generally being very proud and pumped up about their military and its a recipe for what these forums are, 80% US mains complaining about Russia or their own vehicles. Its rare to see Germans complaining besides what 2 threads recently about their ww2 planes being overtiered, and a single thread about leo not being able to depress behind. I don’t think I’ve seen any threads in weeks complaining about russia tanks in terms of them being underpowered etc., just having to defend them in the countless threads complaining about them or nato tanks.

[MotorolaCRO]

@warthogboy09

You’re full of it, like usual. Go back to justifying the 38MT shitter.

Don’t get mad because I’ve listed crippling flaws of something. Falling back to 38MT in a discussion about tank rounds just means you have nothing else to say about it.

@warthogboy09

“Russia suffers”

Do show where I said that, I was just arguing they aren’t as easy for new players as some might suggest.

@warthogboy09

That’s why they have an average winrrate of almost 60% in 11_2

Try using a game mode that doesn’t have Naval as epitome of activity.

[Suppiee]

Just a rage bait post. They are good tanks (in game), just place your shots.

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@warthogboy09

Are you fucking stupid? The green area you are showing on the T-80 are the same areas you pen the Leo, except the Leo is physically larger and so has more surface area that can be viable penned

2A7 is the most braindead and easiest tank to play in the game.

[Zannafrancy12]

@Magikッ

Any competent player will prefer the more powerful tanks over the CAS jets.

Hahaha, no.

[Zannafrancy12]

@Magikッ

Most Russian top tier players aren’t idiots. Their tanks IRL have horrid reputations

No and no, its the most popar nation in the game

[Zannafrancy12]

Not really, abrams is simply not a noob proof tank. Whilst a t80 is

[O_Warrior0]

Ok adding a new shell will be cool however what the autoloader about. You know the crew can maunally load the gun without an autoloader right?

[_Ladies_Man_217]

@Sternlos

Ok but from a BR standpoint what exactly is say russia overperforming at 10.0+

What Russia lacks is gun depression,reload,transmission which all of these flaws are exactly how they’re in real life but if Gaijin decides to buff these things to be on par with NATO’s tanks capabilities in those categories then they’re definitely going to be better than B+,2a7 but when they lack those things they outshine them by having better CAS,better SPAA,better Helicopters.

@Sternlos

Armor isnt what is stopping CAS its the ERA

ERA is part of the Russian armor, they literally stick ERA all over the tank which makes it part of the tank, find me a Russian heavy tank without ERA in a battlefield.

@Sternlos

its the lower profile leading to smaller weakspots

No,it’s Gaijin modeling Russia tanks perfectly with no flaws at all, ERA is overperforming and it shouldn’t stop most Top Tier darts from 1.5km distance which Gaijin doesn’t believe its real, but they can go ahead and show the public what documents they used to reach the conclusion of “Muh every Russia tank starting from 10.3 to 12.0 gets a unpenetrable hull”

@Sternlos

You arent lolpenning ufp or turret cheeks of other nations tanks

No shit, but the Abrams and Ariete, Merkavas,Challengers got huge weakspots unlike most tanks which makes them easy to lolpen.

@Sternlos

force the other player to go for weakspots

Russia most of the time fights against Clickbaits,Type 90’s, these nations are easy to disable-kill, so it’s not very hard to aim for weakspots when the whole tank is made from plastic.

@Sternlos

im not shooting leopards or abrams in the turret or ufp with 3bm60

Most Top Tier tanks can be killed-disabled using 3bm42, so the idea of a better shell to Russia is a dumb one.

@Sternlos

abrams having the massive turret neck

That’s the problem, Abrams having a huge weakspot and people still say that “Muh The tank is fine its the players fault” shows the amount of hipocrisy in this forum.

@Sternlos

Pantsir is better than other spaa

It’s the best SPAA in the game out of all nations.

@Sternlos

but it is still outclassed by CAS

Not in the terms of range and NATO’s capabilities are still outdated and old compared to Russia’s KH38MT.

@Sternlos

Im not gonna pretend pantsir isnt the best spaa at 12.0 but its not a hard counter to CAS, good players will dance all over it.

Also a good Pantsir player is till capable enough to defend the whole team from CAS,ex: Hellfires(slow),Mavericks(Slow),AASM(Slow)…etc

@Sternlos

but its not a hard counter to CAS

It’s a hard counter to NATO cas which lacks its original capabilities and again a capable Pantsir player would intercept every incoming threat.

[OstGoth]

Are there any credible sources confirming that the T-14 is actually as advanced as advertised? I’m pretty skeptical of Russian reports, especially when so much effort and funding is going into upgrading old tanks like the T-80 with new gearboxes and electronics.

Either the game turns into a fantasyland where everything is artificially balanced, but I doubt Gaijin is going down that road. The bigger issue is how Gaijin “balances” by quietly sidelining certain nations’ vehicles while heavily favoring others.

At the end of the day, maybe the most realistic part of War Thunder is that politics and PR still matter more than specs on paper… xD

[Ymir2k]

Need a new tank alltogether, current russian top tanks are just horrible and cant stack up to 2a7s

T-14 pls

[Sternlos]

@_Ladies_Man_217

What Russia lacks is gun depression,reload,transmission which all of these flaws are exactly how they’re in real life but if Gaijin decides to buff these things to be on par with NATO’s tanks capabilities in those categories then they’re definitely going to be better than B+,2a7 but when they lack those things they outshine them by having better CAS,better SPAA,better Helicopters.

No one is saying to “buff” these things lmao, im saying their BR should reflect them.

Im too tired to respond to the rest, putin isn’t paying me for this.

[Magikッ]

@Zannafrancy12

Hahaha, no.

Last I checked you are far from a competent player.

Spoiler

[Magikッ]

@Zannafrancy12

No and no, its the most popar nation in the game

If they truly weren’t idiots you wouldn’t see a 1.22 KD on the T-90M and a 1.3 on the T-80BVM as an average. Instead you’d see numbers around the 1.1 range. You also wouldn’t have problems facing them if they were idiots? Do you see people complaining about the Abrams when it is superior to the likes of Russian vehicles? No, you don’t, because the average Abrams player doesn’t know how to play the game.

[Magikッ]

@Zannafrancy12

Not really, abrams is simply not a noob proof tank. Whilst a t80 is

That is true, the T-80 is more noob friendly, however it is a combination of that and Abrams players being more dumb than T-80 ones.

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

The only scenario where the T80 is more noob friendly to play is maybe a city map, everywhere else a tank with gun depression is easier to play.

[Magikッ]

Well said.

[Magikッ]

For the sake of my sanity im not delving into that. These guys are simply too dense. Its easier to agree with them and move on.

[MrBombastic8]

insane

[Thodin]

Ru top tier tanks can’t get new rounds, longer rods won’t fit into the autoloader mechanic.

The only ones missing its rl service rounds are the Leopard 2 family.

2A4 mssing its historical DM33.

2A5/6 missing DM63 with its L1/SCDB safe propellant for more precision and more secure handling than DM53.

2A7 misses its high pressure service shell DM73, more pen, also profits from Rheinmetalls safe propellant type.

This is something which isn’t even simulated ingame. Modern safe propellants need a significantly higher force / temp to set them off. And even when they ignite, they rather just deflagrate than suffer fatal ammo detonations.

This would be a nice feature for WT. Leopard family tanks with DM63 and higher wouldn’t suffer ammo detonations, when you just load APFSDS.