Possibility for new top tier russian rounds?

[warthogboy09]

@wildpoomaster

and are u gonna give any real response to the response i gave you?

LMAO you don’t want to do this.

@wildpoomaster

70% of a tank is a weakspot

Let’s see the actual calculation for that 70% bub.

@wildpoomaster

the leo2a7 can take a shot easily.

The same as the T-series can.

@wildpoomaster

meanwhile u can lower plate shot a t80bvm and one tap it/cripple it

The same as the Leo, except the T-80 can actually use its horizontal if it doesn’t get 1-shot, unlike the Leo, for “‘some reason’”.

@wildpoomaster

you can just blast it anywhere other than the upper front plate and it will cripple it or one tap it.

Except that you can’t? You hit anywhere on the turret that doesn’t get the breech and either the commander override or gunner will just turn and shoot you, with no reduction in reload time. The turret ring is just as trolly ,if not moreso, as the Leos. And even a drivers hatch shot isn’t guaranteed, I’ve had rounds go through there, kill the driver and magically pass all the way to the engine while hitting nothing else, curious…

So what are you left with? Breech and LFP. Which is the same as the Leo, either killing it outright or basically guaranteeing a free follow up shot by killing mobility and a second return shot. except the T-series gets the benefit of not losing their horizontal for “‘some reason’” so if they held their fire then they get a free return shot while the Leo reloads.

@wildpoomaster

what does the number mean than?

I want to say Xbox accounts used to require a number and that was what made it roll off the tongue well, but I know my Steam account had it as well and that’s much older than 2009. Frankly can’t recall given it’s been nearly20 years since I adopted the moniker, in ~2007 iirc.

[Kingtiez-live]

Multination experience matters a lot actually, it gives you a wider understanding of a certain vehicle or nation, not just seeing it from the other side.

[wildpoomaster]

first of all, the 70% is a rough estimate, and u gave u a picture of the front protection analysis

second the 2a7 can tank alot more shots than any other t series and thats just facts

third after running the protection analysis the turret basked gets crippled only on some shots. and even in game thats the case and on average only 1-2 crew members lost. compare that to the t80bvm where a lower plate shot guarantees an auto loader break and a chance to break the horizontal drive thats if the tank isnt sent to the stratosphere

fourth, u can actually blast the bvm anywhere frontally other than the ufp and it will cripple it

[H_ngma]

yeah obviously it matters when talking about strenghts and weaknesses but i dont need multination experience to understand the statistics and that a big difference in average player skill for the 2 most played nations is highly unlikely

[БЕИ]

@Magikッ

You refuse to accept a universally known fact that US top players are dumb.

USA mains are the densest player group in the universe, where these seagulls are incapable of thinking beyond the surface level of a situation and considering multiple perspectives.

[LegitRussianBias]

They’re denser than black holes… fascinating

[H_ngma]

having interacted and read texts from russian mains a lot these past days i can confidently say that both are dumb as rocks

[MotorolaCRO]

@tensilaspider

Gun depression and handling arnt too much of an issue for new players as they generally will be engaging in cqc on flat ground.

And you know that how ?
It’s very easy to overextend and crest a hill just to get enough gun depression in order to shoot someone. This means you’ll have spots that simply don’t work with your tanks, so you working around that is a must.

@tensilaspider

Reverse speed, while a usual problem for these tanks, ends up being negligible in the way their played by new players.
For better players, this is a problem in more specific situations where you over expose yourself or just get caught in the open.

New players will overexpose and be caught in the open as they have no idea what they’re doing.

[Sternlos]

I don’t think any nation has on average better or worse player.

This is an English speaking forum, and its not hard to see most people here play US as their main tree. And its not really something you can expect everyone to have multiple trees ground out past ww2 BRs, taken me thousands of hours just to finish Russia/German air and ground, and I’m just now finishing Russia, 2 tanks left, + spading and playing some I have unlocked. So its hard for most people to actually get multiple perspectives on trees. Actually hard is a too soft a word its pretty much impossible to expect your average player to.

The war has done nothing but pump insane amounts of anti Russian propaganda everywhere in the west, and add that on top of Americans generally being very proud and pumped up about their military and its a recipe for what these forums are, 80% US mains complaining about Russia or their own vehicles. Its rare to see Germans complaining besides what 2 threads recently about their ww2 planes being overtiered, and a single thread about leo not being able to depress behind. I don’t think I’ve seen any threads in weeks complaining about russia tanks in terms of them being underpowered etc., just having to defend them in the countless threads complaining about them or nato tanks.

[MotorolaCRO]

@warthogboy09

You’re full of it, like usual. Go back to justifying the 38MT shitter.

Don’t get mad because I’ve listed crippling flaws of something. Falling back to 38MT in a discussion about tank rounds just means you have nothing else to say about it.

@warthogboy09

“Russia suffers”

Do show where I said that, I was just arguing they aren’t as easy for new players as some might suggest.

@warthogboy09

That’s why they have an average winrrate of almost 60% in 11_2

Try using a game mode that doesn’t have Naval as epitome of activity.

[Suppiee]

Just a rage bait post. They are good tanks (in game), just place your shots.

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@warthogboy09

Are you fucking stupid? The green area you are showing on the T-80 are the same areas you pen the Leo, except the Leo is physically larger and so has more surface area that can be viable penned

2A7 is the most braindead and easiest tank to play in the game.

[Zannafrancy12]

@Magikッ

Any competent player will prefer the more powerful tanks over the CAS jets.

Hahaha, no.

[Zannafrancy12]

@Magikッ

Most Russian top tier players aren’t idiots. Their tanks IRL have horrid reputations

No and no, its the most popar nation in the game

[Zannafrancy12]

Not really, abrams is simply not a noob proof tank. Whilst a t80 is

[O_Warrior0]

Ok adding a new shell will be cool however what the autoloader about. You know the crew can maunally load the gun without an autoloader right?

[_Ladies_Man_217]

@Sternlos

Ok but from a BR standpoint what exactly is say russia overperforming at 10.0+

What Russia lacks is gun depression,reload,transmission which all of these flaws are exactly how they’re in real life but if Gaijin decides to buff these things to be on par with NATO’s tanks capabilities in those categories then they’re definitely going to be better than B+,2a7 but when they lack those things they outshine them by having better CAS,better SPAA,better Helicopters.

@Sternlos

Armor isnt what is stopping CAS its the ERA

ERA is part of the Russian armor, they literally stick ERA all over the tank which makes it part of the tank, find me a Russian heavy tank without ERA in a battlefield.

@Sternlos

its the lower profile leading to smaller weakspots

No,it’s Gaijin modeling Russia tanks perfectly with no flaws at all, ERA is overperforming and it shouldn’t stop most Top Tier darts from 1.5km distance which Gaijin doesn’t believe its real, but they can go ahead and show the public what documents they used to reach the conclusion of “Muh every Russia tank starting from 10.3 to 12.0 gets a unpenetrable hull”

@Sternlos

You arent lolpenning ufp or turret cheeks of other nations tanks

No shit, but the Abrams and Ariete, Merkavas,Challengers got huge weakspots unlike most tanks which makes them easy to lolpen.

@Sternlos

force the other player to go for weakspots

Russia most of the time fights against Clickbaits,Type 90’s, these nations are easy to disable-kill, so it’s not very hard to aim for weakspots when the whole tank is made from plastic.

@Sternlos

im not shooting leopards or abrams in the turret or ufp with 3bm60

Most Top Tier tanks can be killed-disabled using 3bm42, so the idea of a better shell to Russia is a dumb one.

@Sternlos

abrams having the massive turret neck

That’s the problem, Abrams having a huge weakspot and people still say that “Muh The tank is fine its the players fault” shows the amount of hipocrisy in this forum.

@Sternlos

Pantsir is better than other spaa

It’s the best SPAA in the game out of all nations.

@Sternlos

but it is still outclassed by CAS

Not in the terms of range and NATO’s capabilities are still outdated and old compared to Russia’s KH38MT.

@Sternlos

Im not gonna pretend pantsir isnt the best spaa at 12.0 but its not a hard counter to CAS, good players will dance all over it.

Also a good Pantsir player is till capable enough to defend the whole team from CAS,ex: Hellfires(slow),Mavericks(Slow),AASM(Slow)…etc

@Sternlos

but its not a hard counter to CAS

It’s a hard counter to NATO cas which lacks its original capabilities and again a capable Pantsir player would intercept every incoming threat.

[OstGoth]

Are there any credible sources confirming that the T-14 is actually as advanced as advertised? I’m pretty skeptical of Russian reports, especially when so much effort and funding is going into upgrading old tanks like the T-80 with new gearboxes and electronics.

Either the game turns into a fantasyland where everything is artificially balanced, but I doubt Gaijin is going down that road. The bigger issue is how Gaijin “balances” by quietly sidelining certain nations’ vehicles while heavily favoring others.

At the end of the day, maybe the most realistic part of War Thunder is that politics and PR still matter more than specs on paper… xD

[Ymir2k]

Need a new tank alltogether, current russian top tanks are just horrible and cant stack up to 2a7s

T-14 pls

[Sternlos]

@_Ladies_Man_217

What Russia lacks is gun depression,reload,transmission which all of these flaws are exactly how they’re in real life but if Gaijin decides to buff these things to be on par with NATO’s tanks capabilities in those categories then they’re definitely going to be better than B+,2a7 but when they lack those things they outshine them by having better CAS,better SPAA,better Helicopters.

No one is saying to “buff” these things lmao, im saying their BR should reflect them.

Im too tired to respond to the rest, putin isn’t paying me for this.