Polish Tech tree - general discusion

[THEPolishThunder]

How about no one being a sub tree

[Ratataj]

lets delete war thunder :D

[EvilMan5298-live]

That’s an interesting concept, to be honest with you xD Some people might have an existential crisis, wondering what to do with their lives afterward xD Hell, some might even have to start studying for their university exams! :D And I’d have to start actually doing some honest work at my corporate job xD hahaha

[Ratataj]

i mean shi i doin honest work with trees and bushes and i play war thunder

[Bruno321]

Hey, I’m dropping off my duplicate topic here, along with an analysis of the whole thing.

🇵🇱 🇨🇿 🇸🇰 Polish & Czechoslovak Combined Tech Tree (Ground, Aviation & Helicopters)

Executive Summary: All 3 Trees Combined (67% Unique!)

This proposal presents a complete, unified Tech Tree combining Poland as the core nation with Czechoslovakia (Czechia & Slovakia) as a dedicated Sub-Tree across Ground Forces, Aviation, and Helicopters.

Branch	Researchable (Main Tree)	Unique / Modified (Main)	Premium / Event / Sqdn	Grand Total Vehicles	Total Unique / Modified (%)
🛡️ Ground Forces (Ranks I–VIII)	123	91 (74.0%)	22	145	106 (73.1%)
✈️ Aviation (Ranks I–VIII)	116	67 (57.8%)	20	136	81 (59.6%)
🚁 Helicopters (Ranks V–VII)	19	13 (68.4%)	4	23	16 (69.6%)
🏆 COMBINED TOTAL	258	171 (66.3%)	46	304	203 (66.8%)

General Legend for All Tables:

• 🇵🇱 Poland | 🇨🇿 Czechia / Czechoslovakia | 🇸🇰 Slovakia
• [X.X] – Proposed Battle Rating (Realistic Battles)
• ↳ – Foldered vehicle (grouped with the preceding vehicle)
• Bold – Highlight indigenous designs / major local modernizations
• 🔄 – Copy-Paste / Vehicle already present in other War Thunder tech trees (1:1 or minor visual differences)

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🛡️ Part 1: Ground Forces Tech Tree (Ranks I–VIII)

1. Ground Concept & Historical Justification

This proposal presents a complete, 5-line Ground Forces Tech Tree combining Poland as the core nation (Lines 1–4) with Czechoslovakia / Czechia & Slovakia as a dedicated Sub-Tree (Line 5 + SPAA/Support integration).

Why do these three nations complement each other so well?

• Ranks V–VIII (Cold War & Modern Era) – Polish Core Dominance: Poland fields a massive number of unique indigenous designs, radical 1990s prototypes, and deep local modernizations. This includes the PT-91 Twardy family (PT-91, PT-91M Pendekar, PT-16), the wheeled KTO Rosomak family (Hitfist-30P, unmanned ZSSW-30 with Spike-LR, WWO Wilk 105/120mm), tracked IFVs (BWP Borsuk, WPB Anders, BWP-2000, BWP-40), indigenous SPH/mortars (AHS Krab, M120K Rak), and indigenous SPAA (PZA Loara, SPZR Poprad, Pilica, Mała Narew).
• Ranks II–IV (WWII & 1950s) – Czechoslovak Industry Eliminates the “Copy-Paste Gap”: Because Poland was occupied during WWII, a standalone Polish tree would rely heavily on Allied and Soviet copy-paste vehicles in Ranks II–III. Integrating Czechoslovakia solves this completely: pre-war and post-war Czechoslovak armor (LT vz. 35, LT vz. 38, ST vz. 39, Škoda T-25, TVP T 50/51, LP-152, T-34/100) fills the mid-tiers with unique designs, while adding iconic high-tier vehicles like the T-72M2 Moderna, T-72M4CZ, vz. 77 Dana, ShKH Zuzana 2, and CV9030CZ Mk.IV.

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2. Ground Uniqueness vs. Copy-Paste Breakdown (74% Unique!)

A common concern with new tech trees is the amount of “Copy-Paste” (C&P) vehicles. Below is the exact mathematical breakdown of all 123 researchable vehicles in the main tree (plus 22 Premium/Event/Squadron vehicles):

• Total Researchable Vehicles (Main Tree): 123
  • Unique Indigenous Designs, Prototypes & Deep Local Modernizations: 91 vehicles (74.0%)
  • Indigenous CZ/PL Vehicles / License Builds already present in other WT trees (🔄): 6 vehicles (4.9%) – LT vz. 35, LT vz. 38, ST-I (Hetzer), SD-100, Praga vz. 53/59 Ještěrka, 2S1 Goździk.
  • Pure Foreign Copy-Paste (🔄): 26 vehicles (21.1%) – concentrated mainly in Ranks II–III (historical WWII Polish Armed Forces in the West/East: Shermans, Cromwells, Achilles, T-34-76, IS-2m), a few Cold War Warsaw Pact bridge vehicles (T-55A, BWP-1, T-72M1), and 4 modern off-the-shelf imports (Leopard 2A4, K9A1, K2GF, M1A2 SEPv3).
• Zero Copy-Paste in Rank VI: 100% (15 out of 15) of Rank VI vehicles are unique to Poland, Czechia, and Slovakia!
• Grand Total (Including 22 Premium/Event/Squadron vehicles): 145 vehicles → 106 Unique/Modified (73.1%) vs. 39 Copy-Paste/In-Game (🔄 - 26.9%).

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4. Key Highlights of Unique Ground Vehicles

• PT-91 Family (PT-91 Twardy / PT-91M Pendekar / PT-16): Indigenous Polish ERAWA-1/2 explosive reactive armor (minimal gaps), Drawa-T/Sagem thermal FCS, Obra-3 laser warning receiver, and in the Pendekar – a 1,000 hp S-1000R engine paired with a Renk automatic transmission offering fast reverse speed. PT-16 upgrades this further with a 120mm smoothbore gun and heavy modular composite armor.
• KTO Rosomak & BWP Borsuk (ZSSW-30): Equipped with the Polish unmanned ZSSW-30 turret featuring a 30mm Bushmaster II cannon and twin Spike-LR fire-and-forget / man-in-the-loop ATGMs.
• T-72M2 Moderna & T-72M4CZ: Iconic Slovak and Czech modernizations. Moderna features DYNAS ERA and a roof-mounted 30mm 2A42 autocannon, while T-72M4CZ boasts a 1,000 hp Perkins engine, automatic transmission, and TURMS-T fire control system.
• PZA Loara & SPZR Poprad: Loara is a Polish twin-35mm Oerlikon KDA radar SPAA mounted on a PT-91 hull with dual search/track radars and AHEAD programmable ammunition. Poprad brings 4x indigenous Polish Piorun MANPADS with high flare resistance.

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✈️ Part 2: Aviation Tech Tree (Ranks I–VIII)

5. Aviation Concept & Historical Justification

Just like the Ground Forces tree, combining Poland and Czechoslovakia (Czechia & Slovakia) creates a remarkably self-sufficient Aviation Tech Tree across all 8 Ranks:

• Ranks I–II (Interwar & 1939): Both Poland (PZL, PWS, LWS, Lublin) and Czechoslovakia (Avia, Letov, Aero) were European aviation powerhouses in the 1930s. From the iconic gull-wing PZL P.11c, PZL P.24, and PZL.37 Łoś to the Avia B-534, Avia B-35/B-135, and pre-war prototypes like the PZL.50 Jastrząb and PZL.38 Wilk, the low tiers are nearly 100% unique.
• Ranks III–IV (WWII in Exile): Represents the legendary Polish Air Force in Great Britain (No. 303 “Kościuszko” Squadron, Skalski’s Circus, etc.), Polish Aviation on the Eastern Front (1. PLM “Warszawa”), Czechoslovak RAF squadrons (No. 310, 311, 312, 313), and post-war transitional designs like the Avia S-199, Avia B-33, and armed TS-8 Bies.
• Ranks V–VIII (Cold War & Modern Era): Unlike minor trees that rely purely on Soviet or American exports, Poland and Czechoslovakia built their own jet trainers, light attack aircraft, and heavily modified strike fighters: TS-11 Iskra, PZL I-22 Iryda, PZL-230F Skorpion, Lim-5M / Lim-6bis (unique Polish twin-wheel, drag-chute & RATO CAS modifications of the MiG-17), Aero L-29 Delfín, L-39ZA Albatros, L-159A ALCA, L-39NG Skyfox, and modern multirole platforms (FA-50GF/PL, F-16C/D/V Jastrząb, MiG-29AS, JAS39C MS20, and F-35A Husarz).

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6. Aviation Uniqueness vs. Copy-Paste Breakdown (58% Unique!)

• Total Researchable Aircraft (Main Tree): 116
  • Unique Indigenous Designs, Prototypes & Local Modifications: 67 aircraft (57.8%)
  • Foreign Copy-Paste / In-Game Equivalents (🔄): 49 aircraft (42.2%) – heavily concentrated in Ranks III–IV (historical WWII RAF and Soviet aircraft flown by Polish and Czechoslovak aces).
• Ranks I & II are 84.4% Unique: 27 out of 32 aircraft in the first two ranks are completely indigenous Polish and Czechoslovak designs!
• Rank V is 83.3% Unique: 15 out of 18 early jets are indigenous or heavily modified local variants (TS-11 family, Lim-1/5/6M family, Avia S-92, Aero L-29/L-39).
• Grand Total (Including 20 Premium/Event/Squadron aircraft): 136 aircraft → 81 Unique/Modified (59.6%) vs. 55 Copy-Paste/In-Game (🔄 - 40.4%).

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🚁 Part 3: Helicopter Tech Tree (Ranks V–VII)

8. Helicopter Concept & Uniqueness Breakdown (68% Unique!)

Poland is one of the very few nations in the world with a complete indigenous helicopter industry (PZL-Świdnik and PZL-Mielec). Notably, every single Mi-2 in history was manufactured in Poland, alongside the completely indigenous PZL W-3 Sokół / Głuszec family and the SW-4 Puszczyk.

• Total Researchable Helicopters (Main Tree): 19
  • Unique Indigenous Designs & Deep Local Modernizations: 13 helicopters (68.4%)
  • Foreign Copy-Paste / In-Game Equivalents (🔄): 6 helicopters (31.6%) – Mi-24D, Mi-24V/W, AH-1Z Viper, AH-64E Apache Guardian.
• Grand Total (Including 4 Premium/Event/Squadron helicopters): 23 helicopters → 16 Unique/Modified (69.6%) vs. 7 Copy-Paste (🔄 - 30.4%).

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10. Key Highlights of Unique Aircraft & Helicopters

• PZL.37B Łoś & PZL.50 Jastrząb: The Łoś (“Elk”) was one of the most advanced medium bombers of 1939, capable of carrying a massive 2,580 kg bomb load (more than an early He 111) in a sleek, twin-tail laminar-wing airframe. The Jastrząb and Wilk provide fast, well-armed low-tier indigenous fighters.
• Lim-5M & Lim-6bis: Polish ground-attack evolutions of the MiG-17 manufactured by WSK-Mielec. They feature twin-wheel main landing gear for rough-field operations, drag chutes at the base of the rudder, RATO (Rocket-Assisted Take-Off) boosters, and additional underwing pylons for Mars-2 rocket pods and bombs.
• TS-11 Iskra & PZL I-22 Iryda M-96: Indigenous Polish jet trainers/light attackers armed with 23mm cannons (NS-23 / GSz-23Ł), rocket pods, bombs, and R-60MK air-to-air missiles on the Iryda.
• Aero L-159A ALCA & L-39NG Skyfox: Czech single-seat and twin-seat light combat aircraft equipped with NATO avionics, FIAR Grifo-L pulse-doppler radar, 20mm Plamen cannon pods, AGM-65 Maverick ATGMs, GBU-12 Paveway II laser-guided bombs, and AIM-9M Sidewinders.
• PZL W-3U Salamandra, W-3PL Głuszec & W-3WB Huzar: Indigenous Polish twin-engine helicopters built by PZL-Świdnik. The W-3U carries a twin 23mm GSz-23Ł cannon and up to 8x supersonic 9M114 Szturm ATGMs, while the W-3WB Huzar prototype integrates South African Kentron ZT35 Ingwe laser beam-riding tandem ATGMs and a nose-mounted 20mm GA-1 cannon.

[Bruno321]

Tech Tree

3. Full Ground Forces Tech Tree Table (Ranks I–VIII)

Rank	Line 1: Medium Tanks / MBTs (PL)	Line 2: Light Tanks / IFVs (PL)	Line 3: Tank Destroyers / SPH (PL)	Line 4: SPAA / SAM (PL/CZ/SK)	Line 5: CZ & SK Sub-Tree	Premium / Event / Squadron
I	🇵🇱 Vickers E (47 mm) [1.0]	🇵🇱 TK-S (20 mm FK-A) [1.3]	🇵🇱 TKD (47 mm) [1.0]	🇵🇱 PF 621 (2x wz.30) [1.0]	🇨🇿 LT vz. 34 [1.0]	🇵🇱 TKS 20 mm (Orlik) [1.3] (Prem)
I	🇵🇱 7TP [1.3]	🇵🇱 wz. 29 Ursus [1.3]	🇵🇱 TKS-D (37 mm) [1.7]	🇨🇿 Tatra T-82 (15 mm) [1.3]	🇨🇿 LT vz. 35 [1.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Kubuś (AK) [1.0] (Event)
I	🇵🇱 9TP [1.7]	🇵🇱 4TP (20 mm) [1.7]	🇵🇱 PZInż. 160 [2.0]	🇨🇿 Praga PUV-6 (40 mm) [2.0]	🇨🇿 LT vz. 38 [2.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 LT vz. 38 (Late) [2.3] (Prem)
II	🇵🇱 10TP [2.3]	🇵🇱 Humber Scout (PSZ) [2.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Carrier 6-pdr (PSZ) [2.3]	🇵🇱 CMP Bofors 40 mm [2.7]	🇨🇿 TNH n.A. [2.3]	🇵🇱 10TP (1939 Mod) [2.3] (Prem)
II	🇵🇱 14TP [2.7]	🇵🇱 Crusader Mk.II (1.DPanc) [2.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Valentine Mk.III (PSZ) [2.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 RSO / Flak 38 (AK) [2.7]	🇨🇿 ST vz. 39 [2.7]	🇨🇿 Turán I (SK) [2.3] 🔄 (Prem)
II	🇵🇱 25TP KSUS II [3.3]	🇵🇱 M5A1 Stuart (1.DPanc) [3.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 M10 Achilles IC [3.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Crusader AA Mk.II [3.7] 🔄	🇨🇿 Škoda V-8-H Svoboda [3.3]	🇸🇰 LT-40 (37 mm A7) [2.0] (Prem)
III	🇵🇱 Sherman V (1.DPanc) [4.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 Cromwell Mk.IV (PSZ) [4.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 ST-I “Chwat” (Hetzer) [4.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 BTR-40A (ZPTU-2) [4.0]	🇨🇿 T-40/75 [4.7]	🇵🇱 Cromwell Command [4.0] 🔄 (Prem)
III	🇵🇱 T-34-76 (1.BPanc) [4.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Challenger (1.DPanc) [5.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 SU-85 (LWP) [4.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Robur LO 1800 (ZPU-2) [4.7]	🇨🇿 Škoda T-25 (Autoloader) [4.7]	🇵🇱 T-34-85 “Rudy 102” [5.7] 🔄 (Prem)
III	🇵🇱 Sherman IC “Trzyniec” [5.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 PT-76B (LWP) [5.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 ISU-122 (LWP) [5.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Crusader AA Mk.I [5.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 SD-100 [5.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Panther G “Pudel” [6.0] 🔄 (Prem)
IV	🇵🇱 T-34-85M1 [5.7] ↳ M2 [6.0]	🇨🇿 OT-65A Vydra (82 mm) [6.3]	🇨🇿 LP-152 (152 mm) [6.3]	🇨🇿 Praga vz. 53/59 Ještěrka [6.3] 🔄	🇨🇿 T-34/100 [6.3]	🇨🇿 T-34-85 R10 (57 mm) [7.0] (Event)
IV	🇵🇱 IS-2m (LWP) [6.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 OT-62B TOPAS (82 mm) [6.7]	🇵🇱 2S1 Goździk [6.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Star 266 Hibneryt [6.7]	🇨🇿 TVP T 50 [7.0]	🇵🇱 IS-3 (LWP) [7.3] 🔄 (Event)
IV	🇵🇱 T-54A (Bumar) [7.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 SKOT-2AP (14.5 mm) [7.0]	🇵🇱 ASU-85 (6.PDPD) [6.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 MT-LB-23M Krak [7.0]	🇨🇿 vz. 77 Dana (152 mm) [7.0]	🇵🇱 SKOT-2A (23 mm) [7.3] (Prem)
V	🇵🇱 T-54AM2 [7.7]	🇵🇱 SKOT-2AM (Malyutka) [7.3]	🇵🇱 BRDM-2M-96ik Szakal [7.7]	🇵🇱 PROMET (2x23 mm) [7.7]	🇨🇿 TVP T 50/51 [7.7]	🇨🇿 155 mm Morana [8.3] (Prem)
V	🇵🇱 T-55A [8.0] 🔄 ↳ T-55U [8.0]	🇵🇱 BWP-1 [7.7] 🔄 ↳ TOPAS-2AP [8.0]	🇵🇱 2S7 Pion (203 mm) [8.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 STROP I (2x30 mm) [8.0]	🇨🇿 OT-62 Vydra-II (30 mm) [8.0]	🇸🇰 BVP-1 Kobra-S [8.3] (Event)
V	🇵🇱 T-72M1 (Łabędy) [8.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 BWP-1M Puma [8.3]	🇸🇰 ShKH Zuzana 2 (155 mm) [8.0]	🇵🇱 ZSU-23-4MP Biała [8.3]	🇨🇿 T-55AM2B Kladivo [8.3]	🇵🇱 BWP-95 [9.0] (Squadron)
VI	🇵🇱 T-55AM Merida [8.7]	🇵🇱 BWP-40 (40 mm Bofors) [9.0]	🇵🇱 BRDM-2BF Żbik-B [8.7]	🇵🇱 Hibneryt-P (Grom) [8.7]	🇨🇿 BVP-1MA (30 mm Kuka) [8.7]	🇵🇱 T-72M1 Jaguar [9.3] (Event)
VI	🇵🇱 T-72M1Z [9.3]	🇵🇱 BWP-1 RCWS-30 (Spike) [9.3]	🇵🇱 AHS Krab (155 mm) [9.0]	🇨🇿 STROP II (30 mm + Igla) [9.3]	🇨🇿 T-72M1CZ (DYNA) [9.3]	🇵🇱 PT-91Z Hardy [10.0] (Prem)
VI	🇵🇱 PT-91 Twardy [9.7]	🇵🇱 BWP-2000 (60 mm) [9.7]	🇵🇱 M120K Rak (120 mm) [9.3]	🇵🇱 PZA Loara (2x35 mm) [9.7]	🇸🇰 BVP-M2 Šakal [9.7]	🇵🇱 PT-91Ex [10.7] (Prem)
VII	🇵🇱 T-72M1R (Asteria) [10.0]	🇵🇱 KTO Rosomak (Hitfist) [10.0]	🇵🇱 WWO Wilk (105 mm) [10.3]	🇵🇱 SPZR Poprad (Piorun) [10.3]	🇸🇰 T-72M2 Moderna (30 mm) [10.3]	🇵🇱 Rosomak XP (ZSSW) [11.3] (Prem)
VII	🇵🇱 PT-91M Pendekar [10.7]	🇵🇱 WPB Anders (30 mm) [10.7]	🇵🇱 K9A1 Thunder (PL) [10.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 BRAMS (2x30 + RBS-70) [10.7]	🇨🇿 T-72M4CZ [10.7]	🇵🇱 M1A1 FEP (Warsaw) [11.3] 🔄 (Sqdn)
VII	🇵🇱 Leopard 2A4 (PL) [10.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Rosomak-M1M (Spike-LR) [11.0]	🇵🇱 WWO Wilk XC-8 (120 mm) [11.0]	🇵🇱 PSR-A Pilica (23+Piorun) [10.7]	🇨🇿 Pandur II 8x8 CZ [10.7]	🇸🇰 CV9035SK Mk.IV [11.7] (Prem)
VIII	🇵🇱 PT-16 (120 mm) [11.3]	🇵🇱 Rosomak ZSSW-30 [11.3]	🇵🇱 WPB Anders (120 mm) [11.3]	🇵🇱 Poprad-M (Piorun-NG) [11.3]	🇨🇿 T-72 Scarab [11.0]	🇵🇱 Leopard 2PL (Proto) [11.7] 🔄 (Sqdn)
VIII	🇵🇱 Leopard 2PLM1 [11.7]	🇵🇱 BWP Borsuk (ZSSW-30) [11.7]	🇵🇱 PL-01 Concept (120 mm) [11.7]	🇵🇱 Mała Narew (CAMM) [12.0]	🇨🇿 CV9030CZ Mk.IV [11.7]	—
VIII	🇵🇱 K2GF [12.0] 🔄 ↳ K2PL [12.0]	🇵🇱 CBWP Ratel [12.0]	🇵🇱 M1A2 SEPv3 (PL) [12.0] 🔄	—	🇨🇿 Leopard 2A8CZ (Trophy) [12.0]	—

7. Full Aviation Tech Tree Table (Ranks I–VIII)

Rank	Line 1: Fighters / Multirole (PL - West)	Line 2: Interceptors / Fighters (PL - East)	Line 3: Strike / CAS Aircraft (PL)	Line 4: Bombers / Heavy Fighters (PL/CZ)	Line 5: CZ & SK Sub-Tree	Premium / Event / Squadron
I	🇵🇱 PZL P.7a [1.0]	🇵🇱 PWS-10 [1.0]	🇵🇱 Lublin R-XIII G [1.0]	🇨🇿 Aero A.100 [1.0]	🇨🇿 Avia B-34 [1.0]	🇵🇱 PZL P.11c (Skalski) [1.3] (Prem)
I	🇵🇱 PZL P.11a [1.3]	🇵🇱 PZL P.24A (2x20 mm) [1.7]	🇵🇱 PZL.23B Karaś [1.3]	🇵🇱 LWS-6 Żubr [1.3]	🇨🇿 Avia B-534 IV [1.7]	🇨🇿 Avia B-534 (SNP) [1.7] (Prem)
I	🇵🇱 PZL P.11c [1.3] ↳ P.11g Kobuz [1.7]	🇵🇱 PZL P.24F [2.0]	🇵🇱 PZL.43A Czajka [1.7]	🇨🇿 Letov Š-328 [1.3]	🇨🇿 Avia Bk-534 (20 mm) [2.0]	🇵🇱 PWS-26 (Armed) [1.0] (Event)
II	🇵🇱 PZL.50 Jastrząb [2.3]	🇵🇱 PZL.45 Sokół [2.0]	🇵🇱 PZL.46 Sum [2.0]	🇨🇿 Aero A.304 [1.7]	🇨🇿 Avia B-35.2 [2.3]	🇵🇱 PZL.54 Ryś [3.3] (Event)
II	🇵🇱 Hurricane Mk.I (303 Sq.) [2.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 PZL.55 (Proto) [3.0]	🇵🇱 PZL.38 Wilk [2.3]	🇨🇿 Avia B-71 [2.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 Avia B-135 [2.7]	🇵🇱 P-39Q (PAF) [2.7] 🔄 (Prem)
II	🇵🇱 Spitfire Mk.Vb (303 Sq.) [3.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Yak-1B (1.PLM) [3.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 PZL.48 Lampart [3.0]	🇵🇱 PZL.37B Łoś [2.3] ↳ PZL.49 Miś [2.7]	🇸🇰 Bf 109 E-7 (13. Letka) [3.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 Letov Š-50 [2.0] (Prem)
III	🇵🇱 Spitfire Mk.IXc (ZX-6) [4.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Yak-9M (1.PLM) [3.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Hurricane Mk.IID (PAF) [3.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Wellington Mk.IV (300 Sq.) [3.0] 🔄	🇸🇰 Bf 109 G-6 (13. Letka) [4.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 B-25J-20 (305 Sq.) [4.3] 🔄 (Prem)
III	🇵🇱 Mustang Mk.III (315 Sq.) [4.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Yak-9T (1.PLM) [4.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 Beaufighter Mk.VIc (307 Sq.) [3.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Mosquito FB Mk.VI (305 Sq.) [4.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 Avia S-199 [5.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 P-47M-1-RE (Łanowski) [5.7] 🔄 (Prem)
III	🇵🇱 Spitfire LF Mk.IXe (308 Sq.) [5.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Yak-3 (1.PLM) [4.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 IL-2M3 (3.PLSz) [3.7] 🔄 ↳ Pe-2-110 [4.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 Halifax B Mk.II (1586 Esk.) [4.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 Avia B-33 (4x23 mm) [5.3]	🇨🇿 Aero C-3B [2.3] (Event)
IV	🇵🇱 Mustang Mk.IV (303 Sq.) [5.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 Yak-9U (LWP) [4.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 TS-8 Bies (Armed) [4.0]	🇵🇱 B-24J Liberator (301 Sq.) [5.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 La-5FN (1.ČSLP) [4.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Mosquito NF.30 (307 Sq.) [4.7] 🔄 (Prem)
IV	🇵🇱 Spitfire F Mk.XVI (302 Sq.) [5.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Yak-9P (LWP) [5.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 PZL M-26 Iskierka [4.3]	🇵🇱 Tu-2S (7.PLB) [5.7] 🔄	🇨🇿 La-7 (1.ČSLP) [5.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 Spitfire LF Mk.IXe (312 Sq.) [5.7] 🔄 (Prem)
V	🇵🇱 TS-11 Iskra bis B [6.7]	🇵🇱 Yak-23 (SPLM) [7.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Lim-5M [8.3]	🇵🇱 IL-28 (7.PLB) [8.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 Avia S-92 Turbína [7.0] ↳ CS-92 [7.0]	🇵🇱 TS-11 Iskra BR-200 [7.3] (Event)
V	🇵🇱 TS-11 Iskra bis DF [7.0]	🇵🇱 Lim-1 [8.0] ↳ Lim-2 [8.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Lim-6bis (RATO/CAS) [8.7]	🇨🇿 Avia B-228 [8.0]	🇨🇿 Aero L-29 Delfín [6.7]	🇨🇿 MiG-15bisSB (CZ) [8.3] (Prem)
V	🇵🇱 TS-11R Novax [7.3]	🇵🇱 Lim-5 [8.7] ↳ Lim-5P [8.7]	🇵🇱 Lim-6M [8.7]	🇵🇱 IL-28R (Armed) [8.0]	🇨🇿 Aero L-39ZA Albatros [7.7]	🇵🇱 I-22 Iryda M-93V [8.3] (Prem)
VI	🇵🇱 PZL I-22 Iryda M-93K [8.7]	🇵🇱 MiG-19P [9.3] 🔄 ↳ MiG-19PM [9.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Su-7BM [9.0] 🔄 ↳ Su-7BKL [9.3] 🔄	🇨🇿 Su-7BMK [9.3] 🔄	🇨🇿 Aero L-59 Super Albatros [8.7]	🇵🇱 Lim-6MR [8.7] (Event)
VI	🇵🇱 PZL I-22 Iryda M-96 [9.0]	🇵🇱 MiG-21F-13 [9.3] 🔄 ↳ MiG-21PFM [9.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Su-20 (R-60 Mod) [9.7]	🇨🇿 MiG-23BN [9.7] 🔄	🇨🇿 Aero L-159A ALCA [9.7]	🇨🇿 Aero L-39C [7.3] 🔄 (Prem)
VI	🇵🇱 PZL-230F Skorpion [9.7]	🇵🇱 MiG-21MF [10.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 Su-22M3 [10.3] 🔄	🇵🇱 MiG-23MF (28.PLM) [11.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 MiG-21MFN (NATO) [10.7]	🇵🇱 Su-22M4 (Tiger Meet) [10.7] (Prem)
VII	🇵🇱 M-346FA Bielik [10.7]	🇵🇱 MiG-21bis (MW) [11.0] 🔄	🇵🇱 Su-22M4 (WZL-2) [11.0] 🔄	🇨🇿 MiG-23ML [11.7] 🔄	🇨🇿 Aero L-159T2 [10.3]	🇨🇿 MiG-23MLD (Hell Fighter) [11.7] (Event)
VII	🇵🇱 FA-50GF Fighting Eagle [11.7]	🇵🇱 MiG-29 (9.12A) [12.7] 🔄 ↳ MiG-29G [12.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 Su-22M4K (PWS-1M) [11.3]	🇸🇰 MiG-29AS (NATO) [12.7]	🇨🇿 Aero L-39NG Skyfox [10.7]	🇵🇱 MiG-29UB (Kościuszko) [12.3] (Sqdn)
VIII	🇵🇱 FA-50PL Block 20 [13.0]	🇵🇱 MiG-29A (WZL-2 DOP) [12.7]	🇸🇰 F-16C Block 70 [13.7]	—	🇨🇿 JAS39C Gripen [13.0] 🔄 ↳ MS20 Block 2 [13.7]	🇵🇱 F-16C Block 52+ (Tiger) [13.3] (Sqdn)
VIII	🇵🇱 F-16C Blk 52+ Jastrząb [13.3] ↳ F-16D [13.3]	🇵🇱 F-16V Jastrząb (MLU) [13.7]	🇵🇱 F-35A Husarz (JSM) [14.0]	—	🇨🇿 F-35A (CzechAF) [14.0] 🔄	—

9. Full Helicopter Tech Tree Table (Ranks V–VII)

Rank	Line 1: Polish Indigenous (PZL-Świdnik)	Line 2: Polish Heavy Attack & Utility	Line 3: CZ & SK Sub-Tree	Premium / Event / Squadron
V	🇵🇱 Mi-2URN Żmija (23 mm + S-5) [7.7]	—	🇨🇿 Mi-4B (Czechoslovak Gunship) [7.7]	—
V	🇵🇱 Mi-2URP Salamandra (4x Malyutka) [8.0] ↳ Mi-2URP-G Gniewosz (4x Strela-2M) [8.3]	🇵🇱 Mi-24D (WLWL) [8.7] 🔄	🇨🇿 Mi-24D (ČSLA) [8.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 PZL SW-4 Solo RUAS [9.0] (Event)
VI	🇵🇱 PZL W-3W Sokół (2x23 mm) [8.7] ↳ W-3WA Sokół [9.0]	🇵🇱 Mi-24W (WLWL) [9.7] 🔄	🇨🇿 Mi-171Š (PKM / Miniguns / Rockets) [9.0]	🇨🇿 Mi-35 “Alien Tiger” [9.7] 🔄 (Prem)
VI	🇵🇱 PZL W-3U Salamandra (8x 9M114 Szturm) [9.7]	🇵🇱 Mi-17AE / W (Armed Support) [9.3]	🇨🇿 Mi-24V (LZS) [9.7] 🔄	🇵🇱 PZL W-3WB Huzar (ZT35 Ingwe) [10.3] (Prem)
VII	🇵🇱 PZL W-3PL Głuszec (FLIR + 12.7 mm WKM-B) [10.0]	🇵🇱 Mi-24PL Super Hind Mk.III (WZL-1) [10.7]	🇨🇿 UH-1Y Venom (APKWS II) [10.3]	🇵🇱 S-70i Black Hawk (WSdWS) [11.3] (Sqdn)
VII	🇵🇱 AW149 (PL - AGM-114R2 Hellfire II) [11.3]	🇵🇱 AH-64E Apache Guardian (PL) [12.3] 🔄	🇨🇿 AH-1Z Viper (CzechAF) [12.0] 🔄	—

[Zulizia]

not a requirement but just advice, probably better to make this a folder, since its a lot, takes up the page

like this

<everything here>

[Bruno321]

How to achieve this?

[Jasar_Ahmedovski]

is this AI lol

[Zulizia]

Tap the cogwheel button, then just paste your text in the folder.

You can also type it out but just pressing it is easier.

Title

Text

[Bruno321]

Yup, let’s face it, to make a whole compilation of the data you have is easier with AI; it’s certainly better structured than it is on its own

[Jasar_Ahmedovski]

true

[Bruno321]

+an interesting fact for people who play ships: Poland had many unique ships, which, as I saw, I thought were eg British, and are 100% Polish, eg ORP Gryf.

And that the Czechs have their own unique cutters, which belong to the river flotilla.

[DrunkenLamp]

Why do Poles always want Czechoslovakia as subtree even tho Czechoslovakia has like 2 times more vehicles as Poland 😭

Edit
How are LT vz 35 and 38 copy paste when they’re Czech tanks

[KaFKA1337]

Yeah I checked your 500 vehicles TT, then checked the current state of Czech equipment and guess what, most of it is made-up. Your gov is making orders for CV90s, you guys added every variant possible.

Then I saw dozens of concepts, never existing out of the paper drafts or wooden mock-up.

People are tending to combine PL with CZ because that could make competitive, interesting TT with little copy-paste and made of true vehicles, demonstrators and existing functional prototypes.

Keep flexing with your double the vehicles, the more the better right?

[PlayedStatue626-live]

@Bruno321_

ORP Gryf

Pretty sure Gryf was French made. There’s other options for Polish made classes/solo ships like the Jaskółka, Bałtyk, Lublin, Project 664, Project 912, Batory and Project 912M

[DrunkenLamp]

@KaFKA1337

most of it is made-up.

Do you mean Tadamats tech tree or my personal list that I’ve been taking notes in?
Because I can assure you I have 544 vehicles that did exist on my list at some point.

@KaFKA1337

TT with little copy-paste

Poland makes most of the copy paste up

[KaFKA1337]

Here lads is the double amount of Czech vehicles.
Please, make some ChatGPT prompts and triple the number. I can help if you want, my imagination has no limits.

[DrunkenLamp]

So you are talking about tadamats tech tree that does include concept vehicles, completely ignoring the fact I have a list of real vehicles that has over 544 of them 😭

Edit
Tadamats tech tree is not that good at representing the amount of czech vehicles

[PlayedStatue626-live]

Tadmats extended tree explicitly states that it includes concept or unbuilt vehicles. The most you could knock on the base tree is the A18 Tiger and even then it’s due to the lack of concrete info on its specifications rather than it’s existence.