Hi, Smin! Forgive me if I take some of your time, but since you’ve interacted with this thread, I’d like to share my perspective with you.
I 100% understand why the vehicles were removed and won’t be going over all the usual arguments (realism, non realism, etc etc) because that discussion just ends up going in circles forever. But allow me to say a few things:
While it’s a subjective consideration, the German Patton is ultimately just that… a Patton. There are more than enough in this game and it’s frankly to be expected that purely in terms of gameplay people don’t think about them as equivalent.
The problem with the Panther II and Tiger II 105 imho is just the fact that the designs were a mash up of different proposals. There are other, better options for replacements - like the real world Panther II, and possibly the E-50 and E-75 designs if they can be introduced in a more “grounded” and less fantasy approach.
No doubt. Minor nations should always get priority where possible IMHO because they genuinely have lineup gaps that need filling. This isn’t a “need” or anything of the kind, just something that would be “nice”.
And this is completely understandable. Because that would be a can of worms that nobody should want to see opened.
But please, do keep in mind that this means that the removed vehicles are very common. I play a lot around that BR range, and I see them almost every day.
Seeing a rare vehicle you don’t own is completely normal in War Thunder. However, usually, there is a pathway to getting that vehicle eventually. GE, or pack, or squadron, or marketplace, or even a lootbox crate, or a tournament in cases like the E-100. Not in this case, though… and that’s pretty sad, because they look fun to play, at the end of the day.
So, this is where I suppose my question comes in. Why not make these removed vehicles tradeable on the marketplace? If no new coupons are ever created, that means that the total number of Panther II and Tiger II 105 in the game would remain the same as it is now. But I know there are players who unlocked them way back in the day and simply don’t play them or haven’t even spaded them, and would like to sell them on the market if possible - and players like me, who would certainly buy them.
It would basically just be an optimisation, because while the total number of vehicles stays the same, at least they can be redistributed to people who want to play them.
A few more possible ideas put forward by CC TheEuropeanCanadian on YouTube are also ones that I like tbh… such as allowing players who have researched and spaded an entire tech tree to access a removed vehicle, even if at an enormous SL cost. Or to access and “assemble” blueprints for removed vehicles from the warbond shop. Or unlock them with a “prestige” system (say, reaching “lvl 100” five times or whatever the exact number would be).
This wouldn’t be just for the removed German vehicles obviously, but for any such cases in the game… it would give high-level players something to stride towards, a late game objective with a big reward at the end.
Just my two cents anyway. Apologies for the long message, and I don’t expect it to be actioned or anything like that, but hopefully it’s useful food for thought if nothing else.