The difference in penetration hardly makes a difference for the ability to kill vehicles by just having the round enter anywhere.
No one uses the Pzgr. 39 on the Tiger anymore, because it’s completely pointless compared to a round that kills regardless where you penetrate the enemy.
Also, I don’t want to uptier US vehicles but that’s just what is going to happen when they get better at killing others.
If APHE overpressure gets adjusted, and even, god fobid, APHE gets nerfed to realistic levels, then no one is going to use the M82 with more filler but less performance.
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Not anywhere. Tog backasswards will survive if engine hit, IS probally too. Tortoise survived cupola hit from Tiger.
It will have much less points to penetrate, that balances it.
Not really because penetration is overrated. There are hardly any instances where a bit more penetration would result in a vehicle getting much better compared to an increase in damage.
Because quick kills mean that you don’t have to bother with a target anymore.
The threat is neutralized and you don’t have to spent more time that you could use to kill another target.
And how exactly would that make a difference with less APHE filler? The result is the same. Both knock out the engine.
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High HE won’t kill anywhere. I said it. Even 700gr APHE from Jagtiger can kill only one crewmember, i have video.
Around 20mm is not a bit. IS-2-43 LFP can became invicible, LFP of Jagpanther. And some more.
So the Jumbo 76 can go to 5.7 with the Jumbo 75.
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IS-2 (1944) LFP would be invincible in the areas where it has additional track armor, yes, but Jagdpanther/Panther LFP would not.
Earlier Panthers (Panther D, Panther A) have 60 mm at 56º which provides 143 mm of effective protection against 90 mm APCBC. After running some numbers and estimates to obtain the penetration 813 m/s M82 with 199 grams of Explosive D at distances of 10, 100, 500, 1000, 1500 and 2000 meters, it would still have around 144 mm of penetration at 1000 meters.
Jagdpanthers have weaker LFPs than those earlier Panthers, so they would most definitely not be immune to early M82. In fact, I’m pretty sure the Jagdpanther LFP is currently overperforming even, as it is roughly 55 mm thick at 55º, when in reality I am fairly certain it should be 50 mm at 55º like the Panther G.
Jagdpanther LFP
An angle of 60º provides a LoS thickness value that is exactly double that of the actual thickness of the armor. Hence the Jagdpanther’s LFP is roughly 55 mm thick.
Even if the armor thickness is stated to be 50 mm, the actual thickness value of variable thickness armor depends entirely on the 3D model of the armor itself. So while it might be stated to be 50 mm, the actual thickness of the 3D model is 55 mm.
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Do you have information about german 88mm shells? I am absolutely sure that PzGr 39 muzzle velocity should be around 800m/s.
Apparently it was for the 88mm FlaK 37 but for the Tiger it was only 773m/s.
At least that was it says in the book
Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two: A Complete Illustrated Directory of German Battle Tanks, Armoured Cars, Self-propelled Guns, and Semi-tracked Vehicles, 1933-1945
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In “tigerbefel” feedforward for PzGr 39 lesser than for SpGr, how it’s possible if SpGr is faster than PzGr 39 according to game and that book?
Yes. Very odd. But they also put the Panzergranate 39 and 40 in the same category.
Seems like a mistake.
The first row is probably accurate for Pzgr. 40 and the second row for Sprenggranate and Pzgr. 39.
The 88mm Pzgr., Pzgr. 39 and Sprenggranate use the same amount of propellant while the Sprenggranate weighs 9kg compared to the 10.2kg of the Pzgr. 39 and the 9.5kg of the old Pzgr.
So there’s no way that the AP rounds would be faster than the HE round.
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Tiger! : the tiger tank : a British view
In this book MV also mentioned as 800m/s.
APCR had big velocity draw during flight, it’s normal to have same foreforward
Not sure. It’s the same shape but lighter. Sure it would lose some velocity quicker but not that much of a difference.
According to the ammunition manual of the 8,8cm KwK 36:
Schießregel für 8,8 cm Pzgr. 40:
Das Ziel ist zielaufliegend anzurichten auf alle Kampfentfernungen bis 500 m
mit dem entsprechenden Metermarken der Pzgr. 39
Auf Entfernungen von 600 – 1000 m sind jeweils 100 m, von 1100 bis 1500 m
jeweils 200 m abzubrechen.
- Beispiel: Gemessene Entfernung 400 m. Das Ziel ist mit der
400-m-Marke der Pzgr. 39 anzurichten.
- Beispiel: Gemessene Entfernung 1200 m. Das Ziel ist mit der
1000-m-Marke anzurichten
So the trajectory is flatter and therefore the shell hits faster.
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But how in this case PzGr39 and SpGr can have same ballistics with different MV?
Start a thread and tag Peasant. They have a ton of information about German guns.
I am too lazy. Maybe later. I am going to search allies kwk36 test report first
Also it’s arledy overtiered enough.
No, it’s super balanced :P
It was balanced on 5.7 when gajin give it stab. It became OP, so gaijin uptired it to 6.3, but after removing stab BR wasn’t lowered.
