Yes, better is a subjective term.
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113 battles on bmp 3 and binded suspension controls for it (and kpz as well) in settings. It can tilt forward and backward to increase its gun depression just like bmd 4 or stryker.
And better isnt only subjective term.
don’t both have controllable suspension?
did you just edit your post to exclude the claim that BMP-3 has no controlled suspension? LMAO
@Zulizia There was a typing error.
It has been fixed to portray my actual thoughts that I’ve had for years.
Sometimes you shouldn’t question old information, and doing so caused me to make a typing error.
Except you used “Edit” before to show your actual thoughts,
But when you are completely incorrect, you edit it and don’t clarify? Weird.
@Zulizia
BMP-3 and BMD-4 have hydro-pneumatic suspension. This has been my position for over 10 years having played them in Arma 3 and researching them.
I was doing 6 things at once and my typing was incorrectly done. If you have issue with people admitting their mistakes, then that’s sad.
Except you didn’t admit to your edit* until called out. You instead had somebody reply to you, then you cut it out with no explanation. Also, I never said I had an issue with you. I’m pointing out the weirdness of using “Edit:” to clarify your true thoughts, but not when being corrected? The fact you immediately try to paint me as a “sad” person is even more weird. Why on the defense?
Hm
Maybe i missed some Argument from your side, i only recall that you claimed that u think the side launched missles are better then one centered missle.
But what about my arguments? I feel like everyone right know ignores the fact that both IFV serve a different purpose and playstyle.
Your Acceleration values are not matching with mine. How did you test it?
I tested also and here my results:
Both with Stock Engine Mods, (cause i dont have the bmp spaced to make it an even playfield)
In testdrive, down the road.
Both with Expert Crew and full lvl Driver and Commander
Made a Video and checked the timestamp in it.
BMP:
0-30 4 sec
30-50 7 sec
50-60 7 sec
60-65 4 sec
65-70 4 sec
Type:
0-30 4 sec
30-50 11 sec
50-60 8 sec
60-65 7 sec
65-70 End of road, didnt made it.
The gab is quiet big. Atleast both with stock engine upgrades.
On Dirt or through terrain the Gap will be a much higher.
Mobility isn’t acceleration to top speed, cause in reality speeds necessary to get around people are slower than you think, and more often than not relative to other tank mobility.
Also I do uncrewed reference [spaded] tests.
I stated both are equal to each other [which is why both are 9.0], and gave evidence to show why.
People responded with their feelings instead.
hp/t was incorrectly used when transmission matters most in mobility.
T-90M has a higher hp/t than Challenger 2, but Challenger 2 is as mobile, cause mobility isn’t just one aspect, in this case raw forward acceleration.
Mobility is a mix of transmission characteristics and acceleration to middle speeds.
No one cares if a tank is slower to top speed than another tank except for early game position, people care if tanks are mobile.
T-90M can be faster to top speed than many tanks, but at the end of the day people will prefer more mobility especially in CQC environments where mobility is king.
IFVs are primarily a scouting playstyle, which is why their good player KDRs sit around 1:1. A support role.
They’re not meant to carry games and can’t carry games.
No amount of skill in BMP-3 or current Type 89 will be as effective at destroying other vehicles and securing points as a Type 74E or T-62M-1.
It isnt accerelation to top speed? Not entirely but if u can accelerate fast you are more mobile an all terrains, u can turn faster u can get to positions faster, you get out of situations faster, u are just faster in all what u want to do… so…
Do you know what a transmission does? It takes the engines output and converts it with a gear ratio into a slower rotation with more torque.
If the Engine suck, or the Tank is heave, u can have the best Transmission in the world, it will not increase the Mobility of the Vehicle magically.
And calling Challengers as Mobile as an T90 is wild…
Maybe u dont care about topspeed… but its still important to have… and yes, mobility is not just topspeeds, its mainly its HP/T ratio. As this will is a very good indicator if smt is more mobile or not.
öhm… no. Go check stats of stuff yourself, this is simply not true.
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I care about armor, and I love top speed.
I personally don’t care much for mobility.
I left out ALL of my personal preferences when discussing this topic except for missile placement as an example of why arguing that as anything more than personal preference is silly.
do you mean that they are better because you have more ready to fire in side profile?
I’ve used side profile to shoot without having as much of my tank exposed.
It’s a playstyle preference more than anything.
Next major update you’ll be reloading ATGMs without needing to empty all of the launchers.
You have to at minimum expose the gun in order to guide the missile. Meanwhile, the main sight with the BMP is actually the 100mm (The 30mm is technically coaxial). This means that in every situation where you can guide an ATGM with the Type 89, you could also do so with the BMP. Except without having to worry about remembering which side launches first, or the spiral that results from the offset launcher, or the glacial launcher traverse, or having to come to a complete stop, etc.
I’m fairly certain that’s not what that means. Given the list also includes ATGM vehicles with single tubes (Wiesel, UDES, Sturm, CM25), it seems more likely that this will allow you to swap ammo types without first firing the loaded ATGM. Something which will be entirely useless for the Type 89, as there’s effectively no reason to load the HE ATGMs.
If it were the ability to reload partially emptied ATGM launchers, why would they selectively not include the M3 Bradley, M901, AFT-09, Freccia, MEPHISTO, 9040 BILL, or NAMERs?
Someone with the dev server downloaded can check.
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If they mistranslated it, then fair enough.
Either way people saying that either BMP-3 or Type 89 is 0.3 BR or higher than the other in capabilities are just flat out wrong.
Type 89 gets similar missiles, similar mobility, and a bit better APDS rounds.
BMP-3 gets 4 more ATGMs.
Neither is superior to the other to the point of impacting BR, it’s largely preference.
This is wrong no matter how many times you say it.
- Can be fired on the move
- Nearly twice as fast, further decreasing reaction time
- Tandem warhead which ignores ERA
- Beam riding, meaning it’s immune to jamming
No-one in this thread has suggested moving the Type 89 down or the BMP up, they’ve only argued that at the BR, the BMP is generally superior to the Type 89.
Hell, most people, including the OP, agree that the Type 89 is actually decent at the moment, they just lament how much better it was in the past and/or how outclassed it is at it’s own BR by better options now.
Take your strawmans elsewehere.
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That would be a first
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I reject your reality and substitute my own…
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And if you disagree I will cry like a little girl and flag your post
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