Kfir to 13.7 is pure insanity
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Vehicle: IA. 58A Pucará
Gamemode: ARB
BR Change: 4.7 → 5.0 4.7
Reasoning:
Pucara plays mostly in its intended role by people in Ground Battles, and, mostly, people who are using it as a fighter, make up an extremely small part of ARB community in said BR range, sticking to a specific playstyle of a low-altitude plane for prolonged dogfights as it requires quite a time to actually get up to people 6’s. It’s extreme compession at speeds exceeding 500 kph, the requirement to be at speeds lower than 400 kph to use its flaps for tighter turn and its flatter being at around 650 kph is making it ill-suited for other quasi-fighter roles, basically making it a noob-trap for most pilots, trying to dogfight it in planes that aren’t suited for dogfight at all. Basically every B&Z tactics performed by even a mediocre pilot would make the attacker basically useless against them (as it couldn’t reach the speed by any means), making it an another example of an A6M situation where it was made clear that some pilots just don’t want to use their F4Us and P51s properly. I can’t say that it’s weak by any means, but i can’t say that it’s breaking its BR in a hands of an average pucara buyer (which could even not know that there is an AR/b/ mode in game). 5.0 changes almost nothing as there would be both more cases, where players in planes like F4U, Bf. 109, La-9, Sea Fury, etc. would continue dying in extremely prolonged dogfights (by being even lower than it or not realising that fighting a plane for a minute or two isnt that great) or it would be just nothing to do against competent P-47M, P-51 or P-38 player, at most just making it a 15-minute disabled battle when one couldn’t catch and the other couldn’t hit the target, moving it further up by not actually solving the issue (mostly knowledge and skill ones) for newer pilots.
Part 2 is coming next, cuz i have some other things to say.
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Why was the STB-2/Type 74 moved to 8.7 while the Leopard A1A1 remains at the same BR despite having APFSDS, better reverse speed, smoke grenades, and gun depression without suspension?
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Also in reference to this (as I was making my suggestion for the 209), the A-10A Late is moving to 11.3 and the A-10A is moving to 11.0. So comparison might not be that good in this case
GRB
AH MK1 Apache
BR 11.7 - 12.0
Reason: It is virtualy identicle to the AH64D that is only going to 12.0 apart from it getting Starstreaks which are very much a sidegrade to ATAS.
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It’s as simple as “no, you have a gun on the A-10”
Vehicle: Buccaneer S.2B
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 10.7 —> 10.3
Reason: Unlike the other Buccaneers, this particular variant cannot outrun or delay engagement with its speed. It cannot outmanouevre most viable opponents at this BR, and has no gun. 2x 9Ls is not enough to justify the BR, especially considering the A-10 has 2 AIM-9Ls at 10.3.
Additionally, remove the 540lb modification, moving the 1000lb bomb modification to Tier 1. A Strike aircraft should not have to grind to have moderately effective bombs for its battle rating.
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Vehicle: Mirage 2000-5F(All variants)
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 14.0 → 14.3
Reasoning: While the MICA-EM struggles in long range environments, it is still uncontested at close range, and in low information/awareness environments where most planes lack AESA/PESA it is extremely strong. Combined with having a capable flight model for its BR and an excellent defensive kit, I do not believe it should be 0.7BR above newly 13.3 aircraft like the F-4F AUP, JA37DI, and the Tornado F3 Late.
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Why is the F-16CM not being moved up? The ADF being the same BR as it is quite comical. I can see it doing quite well. Can we expect new Air SB brackets? I’d love to see a bracket where 14.3 is top.
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That’s crazy, it must be a typo…
I hope it’s 11.0 otherwise those planes are just going to be useless.
Decompress more
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Increase the BR of ALL aircraft at 14.0 and higher by another 0.3. This then allows 13.7s to be split into more appropriate BRs.
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Increase the BR of ALL aircraft at 12.7 and higher by another 0.3. This then allows 12.3 to be split into more appropriate BRs.
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Increase the BR of ALL aircraft at 12.0 and higher by another 0.3. This then allows for 11.7/12.0/12.3 to be better placed.
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Increase the BR of ALL aircraft at 11.0 and higher by another 0.3. This then allows for 10.7 to be split into more appropriate BRs.
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Increase the BR of ALL aircraft at 10.0 and higher by another 0.3. This then allows for 9.7 to be split into more appropriate BRs.
And continue to repeat. This is what decompression should be and it shouldnt take that long. with a few aircraft here and there then getitng moved up or down. We might see a better quality game
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These battle rating changes are the absolute bottom of the barrel bare minimum decompression being done. Stop being scared of raising the queue times by 5 seconds and balance the game out. Top tier should be at 16.0 for air at least by now and ground should have already been at 14.0
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It should also not be a lower br than the F-15E lmfao
Vehicle: NF-5A
Mode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 10.7 → 11.0
Reason: Performs a lot better than other 10.7 F-5. FM is closer to F-5E at 11.0
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J-15 up to 15.0?
J-10A going up to 14.0 but JAS-39C remains 13.7?
Kfir C.10 going up to 13.7 but JF-17 remains 13.3?
F-2A going up to 14.0?
Su-34 going up to 14.0?
Was this list made by someone who has not played air RB in their lives and asked chatGPT to summarise the vehicles so they got something along the lines of “the kfir c.10 has an ultra modern AESA radar capable of engaging multiple targets at once” and decided to move it up? What?
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THIS
We need 15.3 minimum
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How fair it will be to die to a 9L in your 9.3 flareless jets
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Absolutely not, if anything the F-102A would be more acceptable for 9.3 now that it gets good missiles and guns that… have the merit of existing
The F-104G+ are among the very, very few aircraft that are just legitimately overtiered and not compressed.
For ARB:
F-104G (China) → 10.3
F-104G (Germany, France) → 10.7
F-104G (Italy) → 10.3
F-104S/S TAF → 11.0
F-104S.ASA → 11.3
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Most likely
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