we cannot be serious…
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Then it needs to be fair.
There are 5 in game, spread across 5 trees.
Only 1 gets airspawn, give them all airspawn or remove airspawn from the US one.
Its otherwise terrible balance
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T-72M1, T-72A
Ground RB
9.3 → 9.7
This change has been overdue for sometime, especially as the various rounds of BR decompression have had their time to settle in. These tanks are clearly superior to several of the “upgraded” MBTs also found at 9.3 (e.g. CM11, Leopard 1A5) as well as some other contemporaries, such as MBT/KPz 70. All of these tanks wield incredible firepower that makes them fightable against the current 10.7 vehicles such as Leopard 2A4 or M1 Abrams, while also having some armor that can actually take a hit in return (unlike other 9.3 MBTs). These vehicles are more than 1 BR step up over the current 9.0, such as ZTZ88B or T-62M or T-55AM-1, and absolutely do not need to be facing 8.3 vehicles that are firing only 100/105mm APDS, some of which lack stabilizers.
6 Likes
Mode: Naval AB & RB
Vessel: Arras
Change: 3.0 → 3.3
Reasoning: Arras is currently overperforming at 3.0 BR due to its excellent, but with slower turret rotation, 138.6 mm guns. Fairly mobile, it has demonstrated exceptional survivability and can dismantle other patrol boats effortlessly through smart positioning. Unless using torpedoes, average motor boats and gunboats could not destroy it quickly, thanks to its detailed damage model.
3 Likes
Mode: Naval AB & RB
Vessel: La Combattante
Change: 3.7 → 3.3
Reasoning: The SA-12s, being straight up ATGMs, are situational at best, and it’s just an inbred version of its Italian relative the Saetta, God forbid you get uptiered you will be stir fried by Shershens and everyone else having just two old Bofors guns
6 Likes
Mode: Naval AB & RB
Vessel: Amiens
Change: 3.0 → 3.3
Reasoning: Amiens is currently overperforming at 3.0 BR due to its excellent versatility, armament of 138.6 mm gun, rapid-firing 37mm guns, and 75 mm secondary gun. Fairly mobile, it has demonstrated exceptional survivability and can dismantle other patrol boats effortlessly with its verasilite weapons through smart positioning. Unless using torpedoes, average motor boats and gunboats could not destroy it quickly, thanks to its detailed damage model.
6 Likes
All i want is F-18E to be moved back to 14.3 and F-15C GE to be moved to 14.7. F-15C GE is literally better than F-18E. I am not saying give F-18E AIM-174B RN, I am just saying its not 14.7 worthy without them and hence should be moved down
3 Likes
Ground RB - AMX-50 (TO90/930) : 8.0 > 7.7
The AMX-50 (TO90/930) have no business at 8.0, it’s only using APCBC, has no stab and no armor and has average speed. Or consider giving the tank it’s HEAT-FS shell (link below).
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/cISYXF5iguY1
19 Likes
Mode: Naval AB & RB
Vessel: VLT-1
Change: 3.3 → 3.0
Reasoning: VLT-1 is one of the worst-performing and weakest 3.3 motor boats due to extreme fragility, as it is a wooden boat. It suffers from poor survivability compared to its 3.3 peers and underperforms consistently.
3 Likes
Alternatively, start giving everyone else their laid down “paper ships”
Like the mega-Lion proposal (something like 70,000 tonnes?)
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Mode: Naval AB & RB
Vessel: VLT-2
Change: 3.3 → 3.0
Reasoning: VLT-2 is one of the worst-performing and weakest 3.3 motor boats due to extreme fragility, as it is a wooden boat. It suffers from poor survivability compared to its 3.3 peers and underperforms consistently.
4 Likes
Ground RB - M26 (Both for France and the US) 6.7 > 6.3
For France, the M26 doesnt have good performane, barely any line up since the AMX M4 / AMX-13 / AMX-13 (SS.11) and E.B.R. (1954) all went up to 7.0, leaving you only with a 6.3 SPAA only. For the US, not only it is also not performing very well, it is at the same BR than the Super Pershing, which make no sense, it should go back to 6.3.
10 Likes
Mode: Naval AB & RB
Vessel: La Combattante
Change: 3.7 → 3.3
Reasoning: It’s limited to only two 40mm Bofors guns as the primary guns that can harm other motor boats; however, it lacks torpedoes, making it less effective in harming the common destroyers in its BR range. Its SS.11 missiles are deemed as irrelevant in naval gameplay unless the threats are in close range. In addition, the boat is painfully slow and not as mobile as other peers of motor boats.
7 Likes
Vehicle: Belgian F-16A OCU
Gamemode: Air Realistic
BR Change: 12.7 —> 13.0
Reason: literally an upgraded belgian F-16A at lower BR
3 Likes
Additionally, we can go a step further and go full Yak-141 on the UHT and give it all the proposed weaponry and add-ons that were never implemented but existed and were functional IRL. Such as the 30 mm MK-30 chain gun, LFK-NG as its improved air-to-air missile, and extra PARS pylons for a total of 12 FnF missiles. But still keep it around 12.7 or 12.3 because it has no access to DLIRCM.
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Naval RB - Dupleix : 5.7 > 5.3.
It is the same class as the Colbert (that is BR 5.3), and while its slightly more armored,it has less gun and is also slower. It’s already one of the weakeast heavy cruiser in the game and should be 5.3 along the Colbert. It does not deserve to be at 5.7.
7 Likes
Yeah… though doesnt help the KGV or Vanguard which are for some reason going up in BR
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TU-4 from 8.0 to 7.0
3 Likes
Understandable for AB, I’ve never touched it. But RB? eeehhh I’d doubt that
Mode: Naval Arcade Battles & Naval Realistic Battles
Ship: HMS Churchill
Change: 3.3 → 3.0
Reasoning: HMS Churchill is one of the most underperforming and weakest destroyers at 3.3 due to its extremely limited armament. Its sole 102 mm primary gun, backed only by mediocre AA weapons, leaves it severely underpowered compared to other destroyers at the same BR. Against 4.3 destroyers, it doesn’t stand a chance and is consistently outclassed. Lowering its BR to 3.0 would make it more playable.
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