Su-34
13.7>14.7, add R-77-1
Reasoning:
Decompression, historical armament change
as part of moving top BR to 15.0 because people can’t be bothered to read more than one post…
Bro stop with the stupid takes f16d shouldnt be 0.3 less then ef2k
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Mode:ARB
Vehicle: A-7E
No BR change, but can it FINALLY get a buff???
AGM-62ERDL, AGM-65F ( only two) and AIM-9L are NEEDED for that thing to actually have some relevancy in ground and air. The plane is STRAIGHT UP GARBAGE.
It’s one of the definitive USN attacker aircraft yet the devs neglect it while it’s being powercrept to HELL AND BACK. PLEASE??
JAS-39C (all)
13.7>14.3
Reasoning:
Decompression, but one of the weaker 13.7s
as part of moving top BR to 15.0 because people can’t be bothered to read more than one post…
Its almost like you play around BR12.0 and are clearing everything above it that slaps the bullys at 12.0 - mirage for eg
sa’ar and sambad
air rb
9.0-> 8.7
this planes are bad, like really bad, some of the worst, should go down
Vehicle: All aircraft with 20 mm ShVak armaments
Game Mode: Air RB / Air Realistic
BR change: All aircraft gets a BR increase of +0.3
Reasoning: Gaijin buffed the (historically correct) low damage output of the 20 mm ShVak with RS 3.0. Together with the ballistic update the weapon became extremely easy to use whilst their damage output raised exponentially without any BR increase.
Soviet aircraft suffered always from the combination of low ammo count (usually 120-150 rounds) and low damage output. As a direct result these aircraft were positioned lower in their BR than their flight performance would justify.
With the damage output buff it is no rare occasion to see even absolute rookies racking up 4-5 kills in any Sowjet fighters with one ammo load as the favorable ballistics and way too high damage output encourages them to enforce head-ons in infinite loops with a high chance to get a kill.
This is based on the fact that their main counterparts have either wing mounted cannons (=convergence issues) and/or ballistic issues combined with low damage output (like MG 151/20s).
Fighting more nimble fighters with easy to use cannons at rather too low BRs like 2.0 (LaGG) or 2.3 (Yak-1) up to 4.7 / 5.0 is no fun - that’s why they need an increase. Gaijin can easily verify this by comparing the top 20% of players of any fighter with ShVaks with their stats 18 months ago.
Edit:
As evidence for superior flight performance of a Yak (here Yak-3 in a full downtier) and the capabilities of getting 4 kills with one ammo load whilst playing 1 vs 7 for more than 10 minutes: Watch this replay: Link.
The flight performance in combination with the power of the 20 mm cannon allowed the imho decent player way too easy kills. Resetting the fight by running back to his airfield is also a classical Yak move. And, ofc, this"stalinum" air frame tanked 2 Hispano rounds (air targets) from my 3.3 Firefly very late game without any effect on his flight performance.
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Why the 34 goes at an higher BR than the 30?
add the 30SM2 and maybe it can be 14.7
:skull:
Not gonna happen and we all know that so suggest normal takes based on the currect br changes
hot take, EF and rafale should be always 0.3 above everything else on top tier
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It can face 2 flareless planes.
All flareless planes (apart from F4F Early and F104G CN) are 10.0 or below
And said F4F Early and F104G CN can face the MiG-23ML. That’s the main issue.
As for 2 free kills, the AIM-7E2s are extremely easy to defeat.
(roll them, they’re sparrows, or pre chaff the seeker so they don’t track)
F-16ADF and MLU should get foldered variant (call it early) without AMRAAMS and remain at the BR they currently sit at.
Many people prefer to stay outside of toxic fox-3 meta. (please take this reasoning to your heart and work on fixing the top tier)
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F-16AM, OCU, C, C Barak II
13.7>14.3
Reasoning:
Decompression, and but weaker than many other 13.7s so not all the way to 14.7
as part of moving top BR to 15.0 because people can’t be bothered to read more than one post…
Absolutely not.
How?
I think that the majority of their proposal makes sense, but there are a few standout changes that aren’t as good.
We need decompression and a 13.7 Mirage 4k is decompression if everything else moves up.
SARH is the norm at 13.0. No TWS is the norm at 13.0. Su-27 is leagues worse in a DF, and dogfights happen enough if you don’t die in the first 5 minutes. Furthermore, manouevrability and SEP are crucial outside of dogfighting too.
I agree that it is off-meta, but it is still strong. I also agree that it shouldnt see EF2K or Ralf, but NO 13.0S SHOULD!
Vehicles that rely on FM rather than kit have a higher skill floor which you might not have achieved yet.
mistery iva
8.7 → 8.3
again, its a very awful plane and it should go down
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I mean this gap should be bigger
Not that hot of a take. They are far more capable than everything else.
Mirage 2000-5F, -5Ei
13.7>14.3
Reasoning:
Decompression, not the best at the BR though
as part of moving top BR to 15.0 because people can’t be bothered to read more than one post…