Put the sidam 25 mistral at 9.3, it has no radar or nvg and only 6 mistrals
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its literally a better HSTVL in every way, which is 11.7, how is it not worth being 11.3
No it’s not, you got your wires crossed.
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Mode: ARB
Plane: Jaguar GR.1A
BR: 10.7–10.0/10.3
The Jaguar GR.1A is a (barely) supersonic strike aircraft that sits at 10.7 currently. that offers countermeasures and slightly improved engines over the regular Jaguar GR.1 (9.7)
However, I do not believe the introduction of countermeasures and slightly improved engines justifies a full BR increase, and the flight model of the Jag is very lackluster, it is very slow, the rudder is weak, and it bleeds an incredulous amount of speed in turns due to it pulling quite a lot of AOA.
I propose a BR decrease to 10.3 or 10.0 to make this vehicle remotely playable in air realistic, or change the GR.1A to GR.3 standard, which would introduce the AIM-9L and a new, digital RWR.
The BR reduction should also apply to the Jaguar A in the french tech tree, of which the differences are:
Different missile(s) and pylons- The GR.1A has the missiles on top of the wing, as to not affect its A2G ordnance, where the Jaguar A carries its Magic 1s (different to the AIM-9G on the GR.1A) where it could otherwise carry unguided bombs, rockets or a chaff pod.
Different Air to ground armament
The Jaguar GR.1A offer a variety of air to ground munitions, of which the french Jaguar A, the main differences of which is that the Jaguar A can carry different bombs and AGMs (AS-30L nord)
The Jaguars have different targetting pods, and the Jaguar A features an IRST and improved RWR.
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faster reload, higher max ammo count, better armor, more ammo variety, so tell me how exactly the 2s38 is in any way worse than the HSTVL despite having a barely larger profile
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First of all it doesn’t have better armor and it’s survivability is way worse.
2S38 is also much less mobile, has a worse shell and gun depression.
yes i get it and i agree that its a bug, but you have to agree with me that the pantsir is a great antiair and it was borderline op for 2 years, nowadays only the iris-t is better and maybe the amraam humve
wrong.
the shell isnt worse at all, the APFSDS is on par with the HSTVLs in penetration, and then proxy HE is also similar, theres also the option for APCBC which shreds IFVs
the crew is all located in the un-MGable front copmpartment, meaning AP rounds wont spall in time to get all crew in a ehad on engagement while on the HSTVL only two crew are in the front, with one in the turret
mobility is slightly worse but still amazing for a tank of its firepower
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you going to explain to me how the F-5A airframe can keep up with the E?
Yes it is.
2S38 is incredibly easy to kill.
Saying that the mobility is only slightly worse is comical. 2S38 pretty much can only outrun MBTs that have 9.3 mobility.
The APDS-FS is not worse but it’s inferior: The caliber and mass means lower damage, which doesn’t matter, an APDS-FS this small, smaller than 100 mm tend to do less damage. XM-884 is clearly superior due to the explosive mass being times more compared to 3OU8, in both vehicles the crew is well protected but doesn’t mean is impossible to destroy.
2S38 shares the same BMP-3 chassis with slight improvements, while still being vulnerable to heavy machine guns in the side. The only point I see where 2S38 is better compared to HSTV-L is fire suppression and ammunition capacity, this is a feature you can’t change in the HSTV-L — translation: cope with it, ammunition capacity isn’t reason for battle rating change, if it was the case, when the accurate Bajkal loading mechanism was added, 2S38 didn’t suffered any battle rating change and this seems the case.
In every other regard HSTV-L wins: mobility, armor, gun handling and depression values which is a huge bonus in maps like El Alamain with the small silhouette and -17° gives HSTV-L a nice advantage in ambushes or flanking engagements. Again: fire suppression and ammo capacity for 2S38, mobility, armor and gun handling for HSTV-L.
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10.3 is definetly where I would place it.
It is stronger than the Mirage IIIC as it has CMs, but weaker than the Mirage IIIS, J-35XS and SAAB F-35 at 10.3 in A2A combat but its dramatically weaker than the F-5s at 10.7
the 3UBM22 has 224mm of penetration while XM885 on the HSTVL has 276mm of penetration, a 50mm difference changes nothing on top tier tanks considering both can pen the same weakspots on every tank, not to mention having double the fire rate is nice
again the frontal crew placement prevents spall from forming and makes even HEATFS very iffy on the front
idk, 70kmh and 500 hp on a 12 ton anti air platform is pretty nice, it can outrun even a 2S25M, and technically has higher power to weight than an M1128, albeit a lower top speed
For A2A imo its comparable to the F-35… J35XS has no right at 10.3 and should move up to 10.7.
Mirage IIIC has a much better kit and flight model, but the lack of CMs at that high of a BR makes it a tough comparison…
10.3 is probably where I’d put it, but I don’t think it would be gamebreaking at 10.0 either.
Yeah. Its fiddly aircraft to finely place, but how they got 10.7 is completely beyond me
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you made the point that the 2S38 and the HSTVL both have their own advantages over one another, wouldnt that mean that two tanks that are practically on par with one another should be at the same BR as one another?
less damage is fair but when youre firing twice as many round per minute it really doesnt matter or make much of a difference
i want you to consider how the HSTVL can only hold a total of 28 rounds split between its AP and HE, which considering how unfrequently a light tank is able to resupply, is abysmal compared to the 2S38s 148 shells, allowing it to stay away from bases for extended periods
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Just move them up to 10.0 and be done with it.
You’re raising BR every 2nd update for years.
Don’t know how often i had to reorganize my lineup … and train crew slots
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peak do it
Well its a Swedish gun lmao. The Begleitpanzer is a joint project with Bofors who made the CV90 guns.
Its the DF105 again lol