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lol, lmao even. Get a grip. They’re better at any realistic distance than the 120.

The only realistic scenario the AIM-120 series is better is over 25kms, and even then, it’s absurd to overextend BVR engagements to that extent.

AIM-120s pull less Gs, have less AOA fin performance, less motor energy, and also, less drag. While the R-77-1 pulls better, is capable to do sharp turns with its AOA fin performance, and have a decent motor which puts it beyond most if not all missiles in energy performance by a hilarious rate.
That at the cost of the infamous drag argument all russian mains seem to cope eternally in an effort to gaslight gaijin into thinking a diametrically huge piece of metal with grilled fins will kinetically perform similar if not even better than a sharply designed missile.

My bad, i misread the graph. i might edit my comment later.

“Get a grip” “Theyre better at this scenario because, uh, yes” such an exquisite answer.

to bad the tiger 2 is limited to 2500RPM
(document is from september 1944)
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Read again, just in case you need an actual lecture beyond your ru main glasses.

this document is from 01.09.44 while the technical specifications i shared were from 18.09.44, so the technical specifications were made after the driver manual AND state it has more HP

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at a higher RPM which the Tiger 2 cannot reach because it is limited to 2500RPM as stated here:
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Mode: Air Realistic, Air Simulator
Vehicle: Ki-87
BR: 5.7 (RB) or 6.0 (SB) → 5.0

Reasoning: The Ki-87 is slow for its BR at most altitudes, only being comparable in speed at very high altitudes - higher than any combat actually happens. It is additionally a very large and heavy aircraft, with relatively poor climb and maneuvering performance, even compared to aircraft a full BR below it. Even at 5.0 it would be worse than its competition, but it would be better than it currently is.

Infamous drag argument

Maybe it is because the drag is too high. You can even read in Wikipedia that grid fins could have even less drag at supersonic speeds and subsonic speeds, with abysmal performance around Mach 1.0. aerodynamics dont care about your “muh grilled fins drag” pseudo hypothesis.

The whole maneuver argument falls apart with distances higher than 3 kilometers. An AIM-120 can pull just fine against +12G targets trying to notch at around 5km and above.

And thus, we end up with the same point, over and over: the AIM-120 is the better missile by having way better energy retention and more than enough pull. saying otherwise is either a cope, or a skill issue.

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Now we don‘t even have a lineup except 12.0 and 7.7.😭

that still dosent change that the Tiger 2 was governed to 2500RPM

and i dont see how that source contradicts anything, engines produce more HP at higher RPMs
problem is that the Engine was limited to 2500RPM so that it survives for longer

this is from a different engine but the same still aplies:
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Even orbital launchers use grid fins, and they arent exactly draggy. Were they worse than planar fins, they use them instead.

Falcon 9 Full Thrust:

uhhh, the Falcon uses then deliberately because of their increased drag, you’ll note theyre folded for launch and ascent.

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why would you document that the engine produces 750 HP at 3000 RPM for the vehicle if it doesn’t actually run at 3000 RPM in the vehicle you make your specifications about? That is like saying your Car can do 200 kph at 10k RPM but you redline at 8k RPM

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Ill take a read on this stuff later, i was looking mainly for an example of high performing missiles/rockets with this fins. Thanks for the info.

VBC (PT2) should stay at 9.3 instead of 9.7
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it’s not true, it has been debunked already. Gaijin has been already generous with the current numbers at the average speed the missile usually travels. You’re not getting AIM-120 levels of drag performance with the R-77s architecture.

Compromises must be made, unless you assign Gaijin’s development team a hefty budget to develop realistic wind physics. If you are millionaire, be our guest. If not, play shut.

So you’re lecturing (said lecture is a lie btw) about the AIM-120s behavior while not having a single NATO/AIM-120 related plane? lmfao, i’ll never get tired of this site.

Next lie you’ll yap about is that Sparrows are op and the F-14 is still broken in big 2025.
Enjoy facing the 14.0 F-15E.

because the engine could theortically handel that for short periods of time
it is not that it will redline at 2500 it was limited to increase the service life of those engines as germany had quite the recource problems towards the end of the war

also if we take your source as absolute truth the Tiger 2 will only have a single reverse gear
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and do you see those values that are totally real world values, i also always measure my speed down to the tenth

psst

Spoiler

F-14A