Just because the matchmaker isn’t friendly right now doesn’t mean you should be facing planes like the Jaguar GR1 (which has 2 9Gs and is worse on every meteric) or the A-5C where you only have around 12 countermeasures and is also worse by every meteric. Against the 13.0 planes, you have the tools to fight back by leaning on your missiles and 240 countermeasures.
And as much as I hate the 530F, they’re still missiles that have a really good FM for the br (better than the R-24). Both the R-60M and 530F are really easy to defeat and the 530F doesn’t actually give people a launch warning, all they know is that they’re being tracked by someone.
So to boil it down comparing the two, the F1C gets 2 IRCCM missiles that are better in every way minus warhead arming time and are easily worth 4 R-60Ms (to be frank you shouldn’t be using any IR missile head-on except for the funny fella called the R-73. To get a guaranteed head-on kill with the R-60M you gotta launch it at about 400m and at that point you have a gun to do the job), 2 kinda crappy radar missiles + funny chode missile, a radar that doesn’t make you want to pull your hair out, about 20 - 40 kph slower top speed, a mid FM, and a lifetime supply of countermeasures which is a big boon since you can use them to focus on less things in the chaos that is 16 v 16, gives you the capital to fly higher to actually use your radar missiles, as well as pre-flaring against the IRCCM carriers above you in br.
Right above it is the Bison which has a marginally worse FM but has HMD and is honestly a perfect in-between for the F1C and 2000 CS-5 while the CS-4 only gets about 34 single-pop countermeasures that shoot out right below you which has screwed me over a quite a few times (give or take by 2 I can’t remember rn).
Another thing to think about with the MLD is that sure it has good flight performance, but not when the wings are swept in. This results in the F1C having better flight performance around/above mach which is another good pro since staying fast is pretty important in missile spam world. Being slow usually means you get 3rd partied and for the late game all it takes is the MLD being caught side or rear aspect within roughly 1.4km to get smacked by a Magic 2.
“Slightly worse” is a massive understatement my man, you go from Abrams/Leopard 2 level mobility with the standard U to something more like a T-72B with the T-80UD.
Also I said consistently and consistent≠every time
T-80UM2 11.3 GRB → 11.7 GRB
It’s a standard T-80U without thermals but it gains an APS, it’s a tradeoff not a weakness.
Like I enjoy the T55’s all of them, but the TTS and megachs etc at 9.0 thrash them easily.
thermals, better darts, similar mobility.
etc etc.
I mean, look at britain, does he believe a T55AM1 is on par with a god damn mk10 chieftain? xD
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Seeing as im contemplating getting the UD ive been sitting looking into it comparatively to the 80B for the past 2 weeks.
And it is nothing short of a sidegrade to the 80B, its got 11.7 armour, great optics, its got decent mobility, its still got 21HP/PT not exactly a slow tank at all.
It loses thermals, has the same round and importantly has the 6.5 second reload which is phenomenal for the russian tanks at that BR
the T80UD is a 10.7 worthy tank.
Hardly, the T80B has nearly 2HP/PT less than both leopard2a4 and M1 abrams.
The T80UD is only 3.9 below the T80B, for far better optics, reload and armour?
how is that not a sidegrade ?
EDIT: just to clarify, as it sits with these random af BR changes, we should all now be calling for one thing, and not bickering over what moves 0.3 up or down.
And that is decompression, look at us all like muppets arguing over the slightest HP or minor differences for tanks to squeeze them into a higher bracket.
Get some proper decompression for ground and let the BRs breath again,
They’re really, really not. Playing those vehicles is easy mode.
R2Y2 V1,V2 and V3 possible change
ARB/AAB: 7.7 + airspawn
NRB/NARB: 7.0
Good BR for a plane being removed + airspawn to let it catch up with planes of the same BR thats genuinely faster
and Naval RB being 7.0 since that is top tier for blue water, it would be nice to be able to play that given naval is pretty neglected
I dont deny the T-80UD armor is good, but it also has low survivality and the same weakspots.
The better armor T80UD is only relevant in the frontal arc, against more modern shells.
All in all it’s not that different (armor) to the T-72B which is the closest counterpart to it in terms of BR, no thermal and armor.
I can agree on that but for now its better to have t55 in 8.7 then it terrorising 7.3
Also u gonna still get downtierd alot to 7.7 anyway
TFW merkavas arent the greates tank in war thunder(they are NATO standard by 2035 trust)
Vehicle: ZLT11
BR changes: none
Other changes: switch place with ZBD04A
Both vehicles are great and fine at their BR. However since the ZBD04A gets raised in BR, the ZLT11 sits below it while being a notch lower. They could be switched in place.
Vehicle: Spitfire LF Mk IX/Mk XIVe/Mk XVIII/FR Mk XIVe(BEL)/LF Mk IX(ISR)/LF Mk IX(Ezir Weizmann)
BR changes: none
Other changes: all .50cal MG’s tracers replaced with M20 API-T
Spitfires are amazing. However, their leathality can be improved with a better round.
Yeah, that definitely irks me how the BRs aren’t in order.
Whats next, M1A2 Abrams before Sherman? /s
By that argument then the T80U should be 11.0
Same as every tank?
T72B 1989 is the comparative tank.
The T80UD has
- better reload 6.5 seconds rather than 7.1
- better armour overall and composite layout as far as im aware as its the modern T80 layout not T80B layout
- has better mobility e.g 21.7 HP/PT compared to the 18.9 on the T72B 1989.
- has better optics AKA magnification it is miles better.
- though has a slower turret traverse.
Overall the T80UD is better objectively than the next best TT MBT, in the T72 (1989)
Im sorry what?
You are gonna hve T55AMD1’s and AM1s again going up against the likes of leopard 2K, leopard 2av, and all the stupidly good IFVs , like dardos and what not.
they are good tanks, they do deserve to be moved up to not punch down on the likes of 7.7, however they are not 9.0 worthy tanks etiher by the current 9.0 standard…
They have no thermals, a pitiful dart with barely 130 angle pen (one of the worst darts actually)
they have mediocre mobility,
no survivability, nor effective armour for the BR at all.
also the M60A3 TTS which im currently spading, using it as a baseline as its a pretty poor 9.0
- faster turret traverse
- better optics
- thermals.
- substantially better dart.
- 6.7 second reload aced T55AMD1 gets 7.5 seconds.
- similar HP/PT thouhg is 2.3 lower
- better survivability due to crew and ammo placement.
need i go on? thats also considered a bad 9.0. Compare it to say , XM803 , leopard 1a1 hell even compare it to the likes of the chieftain MK10!
Or shot kal gimel, which its similar to in mobility, has better armour but far worse fire power.
the T55AMD1 and AM1 should realistically not go to 9.0 without either:
A a better dart or B more decompression
Im gonna comment the T-55AM debate as this: I am pretty sure the type 83 APDS(same stat as DM23) will go through their armor like a hot knife through butter. I would take ZTZ88A/B over them in most cases.
Vehicle: Strela-10M2(USSR)
BR changes: none
Other changes: foldered under OSA-AKM
A way to ease up SPAA research. All soviet high tier SPAAs are adequate or exceptional at their BR but they definitely require a lot of RP.
Vehicle: SIDAM 25
BR changes 8.3 to 8.0 GRB
Other changes: location switched with ZSU-23-4V(HU) and foldering the ZSU
SIDAMs are rather adequate with many previously explained reasons, low range, low ammo count and APDS, etc. Foldering the shilka under it should also make the grind easier.
Im talking about the normal t55 that go up to 8.7
But for the amd1 that goes to 9.0 its also fair since u have aps in a br when there is alot of atgms
Also same as normal t55 u have great mobility and ur dart have no issue penning everything
The tts is good 9.0 but it cant move up due to its mobility yes its better but the gap is small