Object 435 going to 9.0 with them despite being worse than both makes no sense either.
nobody in their right mind would argue that the shir 2 is better than the t64b, its certainly good at its br, but l23 is pretty meh and its not very mobile. armor isnt great either. 9.7 was balanced. now its useless. are you telling me shir 2 is usable at 10.0? you either uptier 9.3 or uptier it to 10.3 both are absolutely awful solutions
BMD-4, BMD-4M RB 9.3 → 10.0/10.3
Insane mobility and good armament make these way to strong at that BR
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9.7 / 10.0 I’d say.
Both lack a good number of ATGMs and no APFSDS.
better mobility, better firerate, better depression, better gunhandling, better reverse and similar turret armor, but with worse hull armor & worse round. i think it is just better.
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Mode: Ground Realistic Battles
Vehicle: CV 9030FIN
Change: 9.3 > 9.0
Reasoning: CV 9030FIN only has a 30mm autocannon at 9.3. As a vehicle it is comparable to the BMP-2MD which is at 8.7 Ground realistic.
The CV 9030FIN does have more penetration in its apfsds rounds but not enough to make a difference. You will still have to shoot at cupolas, sides and turret rings to penetrate. Also the slower fire rate and inaccurate 30mm bushmaster.
I think 9.0 will be good because of the other planned br changes for sweden to have a bigger 9.0 lineup
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add apfsds and 10.0/10.3
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much worse firepower, much worse armor(you comparing them is delusional) youre tweaking
Then people can’t really complain about CAS then. That’s the tool, along with CAP, to dealing with it. But the plot becomes somewhat lost when you see an SPAA have twice as many ground kills as it does air kills. Better off listing it as tank destroyer then.
That’s the thing, Type 90 and especially TKX ( P) does have armour to work with, along with surprisingly good survivability.
i prefer shir 2 fire power, 5s reload is much stronger than the extra pen.
both turrets tank 450mm pen apfsds to the cheeks easily.
3bm42 is infinetly better than l23a1, id take that over the reload any day. in a vacuum sure the turret armor is kind of comparable, except the t64 is small and has k1. hull armor is garbage on the 4030. mobility is better but its not good. t64b is much better in practice.
it is worse just for you lol. You don’t have experience with even worse 13.0s.
The reverse speed, gun depression, and long reload can get you killed countless of times in the T-64B.
Pantsir can actually hit something further away than 5km.
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ok then. lets point them out. which 13.0s are worse?
you do realize the shir 2 is just a 10.3 challenger mk.2 but with 15% less pen at 60 degrees and no gen 1 thermals.
how delusional can man really be?
why is the Strv 103C going to 9.0? its already bad at 8.7
atleast fix hullaim and give it its historically accurate 2.5 second reload
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the great firepower, and great armor save you just as much.
I already had this conversation with another guy. Just check my activity.