so you prefer “lets ruin multiple vehicles for the sake of one”?
this isnt really applicable in this case as amx-40 isnt really that opressive, but this sentiment can be very toxic.
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Bruh I’m playing it myself they are speedy and gave good firerate thats the meta these days
8.7 was one of the “best” BRs because they face non stabilized 7.7-8.3 tanks with their stabilizer, lasers & apfsds. 7.7 most tanks have none of the three and never even had a chance to start with. t55am1/amd are not going to struggle that much against 10.0 as 7.7 struggled against them.
breaking the op 8.7 lineups is one of the best changes ive seen gaijin ever suggest.
7.7-9.3 is definedly the most compressed br bracket atm and they need to decompress it upwards and this is a great start.
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Begleitpanzer 57
Current 9.3 change it to 9.7 or 10.0
Reason: the Begleitpanzer 57 gets a fully stabelized 57 mm auto cannon that fires APCBC / HE-VT every 0.3 sec ( 0.2 sec faster than 2s36, 0.6 faster than Rdf/lt) it also get a TOW/ I-TOW ATGM that acts like a backup if the auto cannon fails to kill. The Begleitpanzer 57 also gets NVD, laser rangefinder and drone. This means is like a 2s38 that trades APFSDS for a I-TOW (the APCBC works just fine) just at a full br lower, and remember to 2s38 is aleredy very good at 10.3. The Begleitpanzer curently sit at 9.3 wich is a br with a lot of light tanks that auto cannons can destroy with ease. In a downtier it can also face tanks like the M551, M60 AOS, AMX-30 ACRA or Type 74 that just a few tank that the Begleitpanzer shouldn’t be able to face. And its not like getting 8.3 games are uncommon becuase of popular tank like the Turm 3 or T-55A
I can also back this up from personal experience, i curently have a 4-1 kd with it and most of my friends showed me that they also had very good Kd Ratio even one of my friends that is only level 26 and has less than 130 hours play time rushed to the 9.3 line up and he has a Kd ratio of 2.6-1 againt players that probably are way better than him.
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Type 81(c):
Proposed BR 11.7 → 11.3 or 11.0
Reason: This is a IR missile truck with no radar, no guns, and no ability to fight anything past 8 km. There is no lineup for the vehicle, and at 11.7 its basically facing top tier every battle. I would like to reiterate this is a truck with big IR missiles on it that has no radar, horrible thermals, and no guns. You can’t defend yourself on the ground, and the vehicle basically can only engage enemies in a 1-8 km range, but thats not the main problem. You have no way of detecting aircraft unless you actively scan the sky manually, which means that your useless if there are clouds or if visibility is bad. It also means you need high keen vision to see planes. I’ve found more luck swinging around the seeker head to try and accidently lock planes than actually looking around. This is no where near the adats or any top tier AA, and it has no chance of surviving in the top tier environment where planes are killing you from multiple km’s away.
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Mode: Air RB
Vehicle: The Yak 41
Change: ditto. R-73s in exchange for keeping its current BR
Its 20 with and 12 without. And the large chuck of the 12 are T-72’s. Which would be too much with.
half the whole 9.3 lineup in germany is busted, t-72, kpz-70 & begleit should all go to 9.7. m48 super/tam 2ip/leo 1a5 are good, but not nearly as powerful as the other 3.
TKX(p):
Proposed 11.7 → 11.3(no change)
Reason: This is just a type 90 with denser frontal armor but way worse coverage and survivability with a smaller ready rack. The jm33 is already a bit underpowered for its current br so it won’t do well against top tier at 11.7. This is also breaking up one of japan’s very few good lineups. It literally has 30 mm of armor on the side, how this is equal to the leopard 2 pl or 2a4m or the m1a2? The only good thing about this is its reload, and because of that, better players come play japan and this tank, but if all players were the same skill, would this tank really deserve 11.7?
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SA. 341F Gazelle
RB
9.0>8.7
- Only two missiles make it not impactful.
- There is no lineup at 9.0 in GRB for France.
- There are more effective and better helicopters at 8.7 (Mi-24A – same range, more armament; A-109 – same range, more armament).
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Mode: Ground realistic
Vehicle: AMX DCA
Change: 8.7 → 8.3
Reason: Compared to gepard or brittish marksman it has worse radar and worse belts + less pen on APDS. It should be same br Not higher
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If only they give it 3bm28, I don’t even know if it can use it lol M60 TTS is also there… Having M774, reload quicker, lrf, so much better zoom, thermals loool
Also ZTZ88s, T-69IIG also there with M111, longer barrel version has over 200mm angle pen, having lrf, and 7.5 seconds reload aced, no way the 435 is equal to these vehicles.
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Ki-200, Me 163(Basically the same):
8.7(current) → 8.0:
Reason: Slower than an 8.0 mig-15 or sabre. 120 rounds of slow 30mm cannon. Sure it has a good turn time but good luck catching up to an enemy and hitting them. This has the same problem as a zero where if you get into a dogfight, you’ll probably win, except its at a br where players aren’t so stupid that they dogfight anything they see. Oh, and one last thing. 4 MINUTES OF FUEL. DO YOU WANT ME TO GET BACK TO THE AIRFEILD? “just manage your fuel” YES THEN IM GONNA GO THE SPEED OF A PROP PLANE AND HAVE THE ACCELERATION OF A BI PLANE AND REACH THE BATTLE AFTER ITS OVER. ONLY THE BEST PLAYERS PLAY THESE PLANES FOR A REASON.
Mode: Ground realistic
Vehicle: ITPSV leopard
Change: 8.7 → 8.3
Reason: Compared brittish marksman it only gets a slighty better hull that makes no changes in the vehicles performance since it is AA even when used against other ground vehicles. Both should be same br.
Q-5A and L
Change 9.7-10.0
The problem is you dont have ANY Air to Air pulmonary besides your mediocre guns. The only thing it as good is, is base bombing where it still gets outclassed at its own BR by the Italian F104’s. I feel that moving it up creates the possibility of it fighting all aspect IR missiles while not having any weapons to fire back
i myself would add tam, type 74e/f, xm803, ptz89, xm1 (chrysler), wma, t62m1 & bmp3 to the list of 9.0 vehicles i prefer over the amx-32-105.
it would be your average 9.0 tank.
With helis going up in br i believe that the Ka-52 should go up in br as its equally or more potent than most fnf helis.
Ka-52 12.0 → 12.3
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TRB HQ17 11.3->11.7 anti-aircraft gun is slightly weaker than Pantsir, it will be a well-deserved brigade
TRB 2S6 Tunguska 10.7->11.0/11.3 missiles are not inferior to Pantsir in terms of overload, only the range of the missiles. Excellent radar that shows targets.
TRB F111C 11.7->11.3/11.00
the plane has nothing but guided bombs, the BR in joint battles is absolutely not deserved.
itpsv is too opressive against ground targets. it should go up infact to 9.0.
whats the point of rating it as an antiair, when its not used as such?
itpsv has twice the ground kills compared to its air kills.
