It can die to many many 3.3s - 3.7s and beyond. It lacks a powerful enough gun to do anything more than 4.0
Check out this whole discussion.
It makes 0 sense the ARL is lower br, with better armor
Id argue the Mobility is a reason, The chieftain Mk10 has been able to keep its APFSDS at 9.0 due to how Turtle slow it is.
The 4030 is LEAGES more maneuverable, and it gets better sights, So letting it keep its APFSDS at 9.3 would be stupid OP.
L15A5 if properly modeled would have around 325-350mm of Penetration, and VERY good angled pen, Just like A3, so it would still work great.
Perhaps. certainly an option for it.
Though now its going to 10.0, could do with L23A1
12.3 with R-73s and R-27Rs is very undertiered.
I agree, and to go with this change XM8 and CCVL should both have their blow-out panel functionality fixed
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A mig-29 with R-73s and R-27Rs is both too good for 12.7, but too bad for 13.0.
We need decompression to properly balance it, because R-73s would be very welcome on the Mig-29s.
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Yeah, I was leaning towards 12.7 purely in relation to F-15A, Su-27, Gripen A and Mig-29G being 13.0. But its certainly not easy either way.
But definetly should get that loadout swap, stay put for now and get adjusted if needed later.
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Turm III 8.3 → 8.7
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The ARL has a big fat weakpoint right above its turret face that can be penned by anything with more than 50mm of pen is why lmao. And 90% of said guns that can pen the 1B/E are from Germany. When I have Germany on my team I know it’s going to be an easy match where I only gotta look out for TDs that I can murder via point-and-click. The only tanks that can scratch it at 3.0 are TDs or the Sherman 105 which is another infamous seal clubber tank.
But its 5 years too old to use that round.
Conveniently forgetting about how much better PARS3LR are compared to Spikes. Both are good at their current BRs and shouldn’t be moved. Ka-52 & Mi-28NM should definitely be 12.3 though …
Germany, America, France, Japan, British, Italy. Etc.
Yup definitely just
Hmm… I thought there was overlap (ground is not my thing)
In that case, probably shouldnt move to 10.0. Gunna be very rough using L23 in full uptiers
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the bagel is fine at 9.3 with its current loadout.
if it were to get air tracking and apfsds then it should be moved to 10.0
All of the guns that can reliably pen the Kv-1E/B are found on weak TDs or mediums, all of which the Kv can easily kill.
They’re disgustingly OP at 4.0, and they need 4.3. They just have too much armour for that BR.
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Do you mean 12.3? because they already are 12.0
Ground RB, T18E2. 3.0 > 4.0. All low tier event light tanks have been moved up except this one. The T18E2 is a wheeled tank with good protection and a APHE shell that pens 122mm and also has 41,16g TNT in it. It has an reload of 4 seconds. It is crazy undertiered.
Comparisons
M4A5 Ram II (3.7)
Both tanks have a similar gun, but somehow the T18E2 has the same amount of penetration with its APHE compared to the AP of the M4A5. This alone makes the T18E2 so much superior.
Sd.Kfz. 234/2 (3.7)
The Puma is faster but pays for that with having much weaker armor. But the T18E2 has also more penetration and HE filler.
The characteristics of the T18E2 make it a good 4.0 vehicle. It is able to penetrate every tank from the front and has great one shot capabilities. 4.0 should be the absolute minimum for this monster.
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Vehicle: XM8 (M8 AGS)
Br: GRB 9.7->10.3
Rank VI → VII
Addition of M900 APFSDS
Rationale:
The XM8 as it currently exists in-game is representative of the M8 Buford AGS fully adopted by the US Army. In service it would have only used the M900 round, which is already present on other vehicles in its BR range. It is nonsensical that the CCVL prototype is both higher rank and has better ammunition than the production vehicle. This would also allow for the correction of the vehicle with its ammunition blowout system which is a direct improvement over the CCVL.
Relevant bug report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/K1GqtCEt23FE
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Yup, editing my comment
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No, because the 4030 was a late 70s Prototype.
L23/L23A1 didn’t enter service until the LATE 1980s. So there was no overlap.
Even in the Original Shir 2 Documentation, there is no mention of it ever being Intended to use a APFSDS round, Only L15A5.