Planned Battle Rating changes for April 2024

[YaSen]

• Rip AMX, no more great CAS for 10.3 line-up. Now I hope you at least designate it as AMX A-11B and add AMX A-11A with limited air-to-ground options.

• Don’t see the need to increase BRs of M18 family (as well as M64), are they really that statistically OP?

• Don’t like when SAM carriers go lower in br, even if it’s Roland, it won’t be fun to encounter it in 8.7 aircraft, especially helicopters limited to smth like 9M14…

PS moving stuff up in the already dead Italian Coastal tree isn’t a wise decision.

[Pegasus7217]

What I said is that sometimes apfsds that I shoot just disappears at the level of outer side armor, thus not reaching the crew. While facing 2s38 I am never sure about the success of my shots, even in the best situations

[Dregomz]

@Pegasus7217

Pinatas you say… Even while using Leo 2a4 I start praying for the successful pen of that UFO level armor that 2s38 has. It eats shots as if they didn’t even exist.
I at least have to brake the turret ring so I can feel safe. If I fail to kill that thing with one shot my Leo is almost always dead in no time. Doesn’t matter from which side I am facing it

carry heatfs or hesh = problem solved

[Jarms]

British RB Ground BR’s:

- A1E1 Independent: 1.3 down to 1.0. Terrible armour for a heavy tank, worse than many nations light tanks even at 1.0. Terrible mobility. Massive target. 3-Pdr gun isn’t a redeeming factor either, it’s not the worst gun in the game, but due to all the other factors combined it’s made much worse. It has no redeeming qualities.

- SARC IVa: 1.3 down to 1.0. It’s fast, and that’s kind of it. If you compare it to the Daimler it shares a BR with, it loses in almost every respect. Worse armour, no shoulder stabiliser, gun is incredibly bouncy and kicks like a mule after firing, worse gun elevation and depression angles, and it’s open-topped.

- Churchill Mk I: 3.3 down to 3.0. The 2-Pdr is horrendous at this point, mainly due to the lack of mobility to flank. Even taking it in downtiers it struggles to penetrate Pz IV F2’s with add-on track armour, Pz III M’s, M4A1’s, etc.

- Crusader AA Mk II: 4.0 down to 3.7. I don’t understand why this vehicle even went up previously. Just compare it to the Wirbelwind. Far less rate-of-fire per gun and half the guns. Lacks HVAP to combat enemy tanks. The only advantage the Crusader AA Mk. II has is an enclosed turret and more mobility. Even saying that though, the Wirbelwind has a far better protected hull and has similar top speeds. The Crusader AA Mk II just has an easier time hitting that top speed. The 2 were very asymmetrically balanced.

- Churchill Mk III: 4.0 down to 3.7. Less mobility than the Churchill Mk I, same hull armour, and worse turret armour (only 3.5 inches compared to 4 inches). The gun is better, but that’s it. It’s also the same gun that’s on the AEC Mk II at 3.0.

- Churchill NA75: 4.3 down to 4.0. It’s more of a side-grade over the Churchill Mk III, not a direct upgrade. You lose the good rate-of-fire, lose the shoulder stabiliser, and lose a decent amount of penetration for a better damaging shell. That’s the only difference, the shell is good but if the Churchill Mk III goes down then the NA75 should as well.

- Comet: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s really a shadow of its former self. The A30 Challenger is a better vehicle in almost everyway. Just compare it to the VK 3002 (M). If the VK 3002 (M) goes up this isn’t required.

- AC IV: 5.3 down to 5.0. It’s just a slightly better Firefly. Again, just compare it to the VK 3002 (M). If the VK 3002 (M) goes up this isn’t required.

- Skink: 5.3 down to 4.7. Just like the Crusader AA Mk II, I really don’t understand why it keeps going up. Again, just compare it to the Wirbelwind, you still have less firepower and penetration but now have the double the guns of the Crusader AA Mk II, and now the same amount of guns as the Whirbelwind. Is that really worth a BR increase of 1.3 currently (4.0 to 5.3 for the Crusader AA Mk. II or a 1.7 BR difference for the Whirbelwind)? If you want a 5.3 Skink, then you should consider adding the welded version with the 4 20mm Hispanos.

- Tortoise: 6.7 down to 6.3. Just compare it to the T28, they’re very similar vehicles except the Tortoise is covered in weakspots and lacks APHE.

- Falcon: 8.3 down to 8.0. Just remove the APDS and/or adjust the belts. There’s now 3 British SPAA’s at 8.3 now, what’s the point? The Falcon has no radar and should be lower.

- Chieftain Mk 3: 8.7 down to 8.3. The Chieftain Mk 5 has far better mobility and top speed, and sometime soon will get a LRF. This makes the Chieftain Mk 3 feel more like a heavy tank in comparison but only with decent armour when hull down.

Swedish RB BR changes:

- SAV 20.12.48: 3.7 up to 4.0. This vehicle is a monster. Not much else to be said really.

Soviet RB BR changes:

- SU-122: 2.7 up to 3.0. This, and the two vehicles below are incredibly powerful. Especially against new players. You see entire squads of SU-122, M4A3 (105), and StuH 42 G when playing these BR’s.

US RB BR changes:

- M4A3 (105): 3.0 up to 3.3. Still a menace to new players and almost immune to enemy fire in a downtier.

German RB BR changes:

- StuH 42 G: 3.0 up to 3.3. Similar issues to the SU-122 and the M4A3 (105).
- VK 3002 (M): 5.0 up to 5.3. It’s too similar to the Panther D to be an entire BR below it. Plays pretty much the same.

French RB BR changes:

- AMD.35 (SA35): 1.7 to 1.3. This thing is trash. It’s basically a side-grade to the 1.0 AMD 35.
- M4A3 (105): 3.0 up to 3.3. Same reasons as above mentioned SU-122, StuH 42 G, and US M4A3 (105).

Italian RB BR changes:

- M15/42: 2.7 down to 2.3. It’s really not a massive jump from the M13/40 (II), M13/40 (III), or M14/41. Very small jump in penetration, small jump in top speed and power-to-weight, and better hull armour. That’s pretty much it.

[Lyn_poster]

Im 90% sure this is just a case of your poor aim the 2s38 is literally made out of paper and doesnt have any internal plates really

[Lapinskas]

You have to be kidding me with the sub-sonic jet br changes. Spitfire mk24 and MiG-15 bis ish in the same br bracket is a certified bruh moment. When will you finally start listening to the community and decompress the whole br range?

[Real_K_Soze]

@thefoxiscunning

I’m continually fascinated by their reliance on whatever algorithm/spreadsheet/statistics they use to balance and the glaring hole it has when the lesser of two identical vehicles or plane of similar capabilities in minor nations isn’t adjusted.

The missing adjustment is imho a clear indicator to prove the following hypothesis:

1. US and USSR are highly popular for rookies - dragging BRs too low
2. Minor Nations are usually 2nd or third trees for players

So if the rookies can’t handle US planes - and USSR planes are not really overtiered due to “reasons” their drag BRs low.

The experienced player looking for another challenge researches a minor nation benefits from the lowered BRs due to his experience advantage.

Just another argument to stop this C+P plane spam…

At least they stopped their policy to nerf almost all but one minor nation when using the same plane at the same BR. The cancelled economy revision in May last year had 3 different repair cost for the same plane (P-47 D-28/30):

IT ~ 9.700 SL
US ~ 4.600 SL
CHN ~ 3.300 SL

[Lyn_poster]

The falcon should not change br its a great SPAA and an even better tank destroyer, removing its APDS would make it pretty useless outside of being a SPAA. The Churchill III is also fine at its current br outside of being slow its gun is good and the armour is decently reliable its just that the protopanther needs to move up to 5.3/5.7 so it stops being forced into 4.0 since so many people are playing it.

[Shootsave]

Instead of increasing the BR for the BTR-ZD it should go back to 5.3 at least… (original start br was 4.7 and decently balanced)

1. limited ammo
2. no armor penetration ability
3. severe recoil

At 5.7 it already can’t fend off anything it goes up against. I’m against the BR increase and i think it should go down actually

[Blin3000]

I have a question about the su-22m3 getting r-60mk’s. Is the Syrian one in the soviet tech tree the one getting them? Because if so, would it go up in br? Because 12 flares at a higher br isnt very fair, its already a struggle at 10.7. Maybe add the ability to add additional flare pods? idk its just a thought.

[Lyn_poster]

A lot of people just dont understand how easy it is to kill a 2s38 mostly US mains and new players you could look through the likes its a lot of new players for the most part, again most people havent realised you can overpressure the 2s38 with HEAT-FS frontally except for the LFP and majority of the connecting plate you can just go through anywhere on the UFP or turret which isnt hard with an LRF.
Even if you shoot the connecting plate or LFP its still gonna kill at least 1 crew most of the time 2 crew with HEAT-FS

[TheOnlyKnight]

new max BR is needed, badly. compression complicates balance updates like this far too much to ignore

[PuLsE_Directory]

The sagittario is now an entire 1.3 WHOLE ASS BRS ABOVE THE MIG15 its literally unplayable at its current br and should be moved down to 9.0 or 8.7

[mimidemare]

M4A1 (FL10) → PCOT-51P
EBR 1954 → PCOT-51P
AMX-50 (TO90/930) → HEAT-FS = M431 (The same as the M47 Patton)
Char 25t → HEAT-FS = M431 (The same as the M47 Patton)

Arcade :
M26 → 6.3
Object 906 → 8.3
AMX-30 DCA → 8.3
AMX-13 (FL 11) → 3.7

[Morvran]

@Dregomz

hesh

One issue there. You cant insta swap. and HESH does nothing with even a slight amount of armour So its either be ready to fight 2s38s or ready to fight literally anything else

[Morvran]

I think the point of lowering the Falcon is that there is no point to use the Falcon as SPAA at that BR due to 2x SPAA with radar at the same BR.

[Pegasus7217]

I just checked the Russian forum. The difference is that they have added requirement for each player to say BR change for a single vehicle. They said that big comments might not get reviewed. They are making some sort of statistics out of the comments.

Nothing like that was mentioned in the English forum so are they really reviewing what we say here? That’s the question

[Avgvstvs_Cheezr]

Thank you for now making the AMX completely useless now as it h has no line up at 10.7 and will be uptiered to Pansirs and TORs. Very cool gaijin

[Morvran]

probably not. I have heard that when it comes to BR changes, they only look at the russian forums.

[Offenbanch]

@Pegasus7217

I just checked the Russian forum. The difference is that they have added requirement for each player to say BR change for a single vehicle

However on ru forum you can suggest only ONE vehicle, while there - unlimited suggestions.